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haele

(14,423 posts)
14. Because there's still a lot of consumer myths about EVe
Sun Jul 13, 2025, 12:57 AM
Jul 13

And many EV start-ups looked great to begin with, but couldn't market because EVe are considered expensive to begin with.
It's hard to sell an EV that's $10k more expensive than it's ICE counterpart unless you can really push the fact they're going to be way cheaper in the long run.
Consumers shouldn't worry about not being able to charge an EV quickly and less expensively. They shouldn't have to worry about battery longevity or maintenance.
I just got a terrific deal on a new $68k MSRP Hyundai Ionic 9 lease, in which the subsidy was the thing to bring the price point down to the level I could afford, instead of going with, say, a used "certified" low milage Santa Fe or Flex at around $30k to own.
Haven owned one before, I know I'd be paying several thousands a year - around 3 to 5 thousand minimum just on gas, oil changes, and regular maintenance, while I figure from what I've experienced so far with the Ionic, a slightly larger SUV, I'll be paying around $1200 a year on charges.
With an EV, depending on the time of day I charge the Ionic, at a fast charger I get around 325 miles (recommended 80% charge) for $15 - $25 if I started at 6% charge (equivalent of the "E" line on the fuel display). If I went for the full 100%, the manual says I can get up to 400 miles, depending on the roadway and my driving conditions, but 100% could shorten the expected 10 year lifespan of one or several of the batteries.

If I was buying gasoline for the 17 gallon tank (average sized tank) Santa Fe I'd be spending around $55 at the cheapest station I could find to fill up enough of the tank to get 350 miles driving "economy".
(The manual says it gets 450 for a tank, but that's interstate highway range in the Midwest; I've never managed to get more than 350 in a Santa Fe and typically got 330 city and highway driving before the low fuel light kicked on.)
Not to mention oil changes, fluid level checks, gaskets that can leak, air sensors that can go out, starter systems, transmission systems, ect...
Sure, there is the ability to fix ICE vehicles that isn't as present in an EV, but there are a lot fewer systems that can go wrong.
With an EV, it's all about how proven the technology is, and whether or not the manufacturer is serious about building a reliable brand.
Come to think of the, it's the same way with ICE cars, but they're easier to hide flaws with or how soon before a major repair is going to be needed when it's time to get rid of one than an EV is.


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Electric vehicles are great for a second car. pwb Jul 12 #1
Love my EV as a daily commuter. nt LexVegas Jul 12 #2
That picture is disturbing as hell. Dave Bowman Jul 12 #3
I did a web search. It's the LEAST offensive of the bunch. usonian Jul 12 #4
You almost have to appreciate the utter obliviousness RandomNumbers Jul 13 #32
It's not obliviousness. They do it intentionally. Mariana Jul 13 #42
Solid state EV's will be available right around the time Trump leaves office. Fiendish Thingy Jul 12 #5
If their performance is that good, why the need for subsidies? MichMan Jul 12 #6
The subsidies, IMO, are to encourage non-polluting vehicles (which is why Trump is removing them) and usonian Jul 12 #9
If milk is so delicious, why the need for subsidies? Fiendish Thingy Jul 12 #10
We drink maybe a quart every 2 months MichMan Jul 13 #12
Because there's still a lot of consumer myths about EVe haele Jul 13 #14
I beg to differ on one point: cab67 Jul 13 #15
Even though you would save $3500 per year on gas, you wouldn't have bought an EV without a $7500 tax credit MichMan Jul 13 #20
And that's why I answered the question why a subsidy is still necessary... haele Jul 13 #21
The subsidies are just being added to the national debt anyway. MichMan Jul 13 #37
Yes and the student loan for the totally unnecessary degree I was required to get to keep my job.. haele Jul 14 #45
If your degree was as useless as you describe, just how does it benefit the general public, both now and in the future ? MichMan Jul 14 #46
It was useless as I was doing the same job with or without the degree... haele Jul 14 #47
I've done the math. snot Jul 13 #38
How about the subsidies for the oul and gas companies which dwarf the ev subsidies mahina Jul 13 #36
100% TnDem Jul 13 #40
Meh, I hope EV credits are not at the top of the Dem agenda fujiyamasan Jul 13 #17
I agree, and I'm not antagonistic to EV credits at all. RandomNumbers Jul 13 #33
price sells cars. lower the price enuff and they will fly off the lots...so to speak nt msongs Jul 12 #7
Remove the BYD tariff. Their models start at under $30K. PSPS Jul 12 #11
If the UAW wants to compete, they can either cut their wages in half or face plant closings, right? MichMan Jul 13 #19
not to worry, there will be plenty of prison camp labor. uncle ray Jul 13 #22
Yet UAW competes with truck and vans. haele Jul 13 #24
Exactly! n/t SickOfTheOnePct Jul 13 #25
You know that imported trucks have had 25% tariffs for 60 yrs., right? MichMan Jul 13 #28
Protectionism for American automobiles Blue Full Moon Jul 13 #26
You think they have engine issues, check out Hyundai and Kia MichMan Jul 13 #30
You're absolutely right! fujiyamasan Jul 13 #18
I have a hybrid plug-in Prius Bettie Jul 12 #8
it didn't help that arguably the most prolific EV maker turned out to be a Nazi cadoman Jul 13 #13
Teslas are fairly common where we live. cab67 Jul 13 #16
I had to fly last minute to Tampa... SickOfTheOnePct Jul 13 #23
The US might just largely produce autos for its captive market. David__77 Jul 13 #27
Tax credits to sell vehicles are a subsidy to the industry bucolic_frolic Jul 13 #29
What are the profit margins right now... SickOfTheOnePct Jul 13 #31
Here are the operating margins for the "big 3" (note stellantis is Italian but own dodge/jeep/chrysler). fujiyamasan Jul 14 #44
What the hell ISN'T subsidized? Ask the legion of lobbyists. usonian Jul 13 #34
This message was self-deleted by its author fujiyamasan Jul 14 #43
My only complaint with EVs is that they're ridiculously expensive. Initech Jul 13 #35
Check out the used market. EVs depreciate like crazy. flvegan Jul 13 #39
Really? Interesting. Initech Jul 13 #41
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