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haele

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21. And that's why I answered the question why a subsidy is still necessary...

Sun Jul 13, 2025, 09:29 AM

Jul 13

EVs still are dealing with the economy of scale issues.
They're not at the point where they're being sold at the same percentage as, say, a crossover or truck.
They're the cost of a new minivan.
They're still a luxury for anyone who doesn't have $60k on hand or could comfortably pay $1k out of pocket per month for a car payment.
The other issue is that IMO, they're best "sold" as leases; battery technology is getting better at a rate of every 5 to 7 years. Not that one has to actually replace the batteries, it's that with a lease, you can always get a better range or more efficient charging by the end of your lease.
And I understand that completely, the only reason I gotmy Ionic is that the dealer wanted to get it off the lot; they were getting their last pre-tariff delivery of around 3 dozen vehicles within two days, so it was taking up lot space.

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The great EV pullback has begun (The Verge) [View all] usonian Jul 12 OP

Electric vehicles are great for a second car. pwb Jul 12 #1

Love my EV as a daily commuter. nt LexVegas Jul 12 #2

That picture is disturbing as hell. Dave Bowman Jul 12 #3

I did a web search. It's the LEAST offensive of the bunch. usonian Jul 12 #4

You almost have to appreciate the utter obliviousness RandomNumbers Jul 13 #32

It's not obliviousness. They do it intentionally. Mariana Jul 13 #42

Solid state EV's will be available right around the time Trump leaves office. Fiendish Thingy Jul 12 #5

If their performance is that good, why the need for subsidies? MichMan Jul 12 #6

The subsidies, IMO, are to encourage non-polluting vehicles (which is why Trump is removing them) and usonian Jul 12 #9

If milk is so delicious, why the need for subsidies? Fiendish Thingy Jul 12 #10

We drink maybe a quart every 2 months MichMan Jul 13 #12

Because there's still a lot of consumer myths about EVe haele Jul 13 #14

I beg to differ on one point: cab67 Jul 13 #15

Even though you would save $3500 per year on gas, you wouldn't have bought an EV without a $7500 tax credit MichMan Jul 13 #20

And that's why I answered the question why a subsidy is still necessary... haele Jul 13 #21

The subsidies are just being added to the national debt anyway. MichMan Jul 13 #37

Yes and the student loan for the totally unnecessary degree I was required to get to keep my job.. haele Jul 14 #45

If your degree was as useless as you describe, just how does it benefit the general public, both now and in the future ? MichMan Jul 14 #46

It was useless as I was doing the same job with or without the degree... haele Jul 14 #47

I've done the math. snot Jul 13 #38

How about the subsidies for the oul and gas companies which dwarf the ev subsidies mahina Jul 13 #36

100% TnDem Jul 13 #40

Meh, I hope EV credits are not at the top of the Dem agenda fujiyamasan Jul 13 #17

I agree, and I'm not antagonistic to EV credits at all. RandomNumbers Jul 13 #33

price sells cars. lower the price enuff and they will fly off the lots...so to speak nt msongs Jul 12 #7

Remove the BYD tariff. Their models start at under $30K. PSPS Jul 12 #11

If the UAW wants to compete, they can either cut their wages in half or face plant closings, right? MichMan Jul 13 #19

not to worry, there will be plenty of prison camp labor. uncle ray Jul 13 #22

Yet UAW competes with truck and vans. haele Jul 13 #24

Exactly! n/t SickOfTheOnePct Jul 13 #25

You know that imported trucks have had 25% tariffs for 60 yrs., right? MichMan Jul 13 #28

Protectionism for American automobiles Blue Full Moon Jul 13 #26

You think they have engine issues, check out Hyundai and Kia MichMan Jul 13 #30

You're absolutely right! fujiyamasan Jul 13 #18

I have a hybrid plug-in Prius Bettie Jul 12 #8

it didn't help that arguably the most prolific EV maker turned out to be a Nazi cadoman Jul 13 #13

Teslas are fairly common where we live. cab67 Jul 13 #16

I had to fly last minute to Tampa... SickOfTheOnePct Jul 13 #23

The US might just largely produce autos for its captive market. David__77 Jul 13 #27

Tax credits to sell vehicles are a subsidy to the industry bucolic_frolic Jul 13 #29

What are the profit margins right now... SickOfTheOnePct Jul 13 #31

Here are the operating margins for the "big 3" (note stellantis is Italian but own dodge/jeep/chrysler). fujiyamasan Jul 14 #44

What the hell ISN'T subsidized? Ask the legion of lobbyists. usonian Jul 13 #34

This message was self-deleted by its author fujiyamasan Jul 14 #43

My only complaint with EVs is that they're ridiculously expensive. Initech Jul 13 #35

Check out the used market. EVs depreciate like crazy. flvegan Jul 13 #39

Really? Interesting. Initech Jul 13 #41