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Moostache

(10,741 posts)
9. There is only one way to recover - complete societal breakdown and reformation of the nation in its aftermath.
Mon Jul 14, 2025, 01:06 PM
Jul 14

There is no compromise with the current GOP that I can abide. There is also no compromise that they will accept because their belief (reinforced by Fox News and Trump's fire hose of dishonesty and bullshit) is that their team is 'winning'. They are innured in propaganda and incapable of recognizing just how badly they are being fucked in the process.

I do NOT accept persecution of 'the other' (immigrant, racial differences, LGBTQ, or any other class)
I do NOT accept I.C.E. or border security as the primary function of the state.
I do NOT accept that working people should be fearing the ability to acquire basic human dignity (shelter, water, food, health care)
I do NOT accept that women do not own or control their own bodies.
I do NOT accept that billionaires should exist, let alone be financially favored over the working poor.
I do NOT accept that tax cuts to create and maintain billionaires should supercede healthcare for millions.
I do NOT accept that any man is above the law, that presidents are omnipotent or that Stephen Miller is a human being.

I BELIEVE that all freedom springs from mutally assured respect.
I BELIEVE that science is real and religion (in the wrong hands) is vile.
I BELIEVE that humans (Homo Sapiens) are all the same and that race is a political concept, not a biological trait.
I BELEVE that humn rights are what makes for a foundation to have a society larger than a few dozen relatives, without the recognition of these rights, life is reduced to a war for resources instead of a path to greater achievement.
I BELIEVE that America is an ideal first and a country second and that we are currently failing them BOTH.
I BELIEVE that the press and speech must remain free and maintaining that freedom requires it to be non-profit and protected.
I BELIEVE that knowledge is a human right and that college expenses are a social responsibility to the future.
I BELIEVE that speech is speech and money is money and the use of either in the pursuit of the other is EVIL.
I BELIEVE that wealth distruibution is currently disgusting and that billionaires who employee people on federal assistance should be taxed out of existence and that their horded wealth should be redistributed to those who make the enterprise function!

There is no way to make peace with the people that passed the GOP's latest monstrosity of a debt bomb or to break bread as fellows with those who are establishing Aligator Auschwitz on American soil. The only way this gets fixed is by a bloody war or a complete partitioning of the union into 2 states. I will end up in the state that includes California, Illinois, New York and is allied with Canada, Mexico, the EU, Japan and the rest of the free world.

That other part of the territory (the partitioned portion that rejects literally everything above) - which should just be named the Neo-Confederate States now - can all go pound sand and die for all I care, but I do not see a pathway to re-integrating them for their current attitudes, forgiveness of crime and cruelty for sport. Those are not fellow citizens, they are card-carrying, badge-wearing Nazis and if my grandfathers and great uncles all fought (and lost friends and relatives) the FIRST NAZI crisis, I cannot stand by and refuse to fight its second coming.

The real issue is going to be reforming the Constitution and the branches of government to restore the American experiment to a functioning baseline and not a kleptocracy with fascist leanings. (Oh, and we will also need to lead the effort to destroy all nuclear weapons forever - IF we win. If we lose, there will be civilian areas destroyed by these weapons, I am 99% sure of that now.)

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Not likely. sinkingfeeling Jul 14 #1
It'll probably take years to do so. sakabatou Jul 14 #2
Yes. Germany recovered from Hitler's Nazi regime and a disastrous war Ocelot II Jul 14 #3
Good analogy. kentuck Jul 14 #4
They had help. The Madcap Jul 14 #17
Martial law. But we might get some assistance if it's the interests of other countries Ocelot II Jul 14 #22
It was a joke in recognition of MTG. The Madcap Jul 14 #34
Ah. I get it. Ocelot II Jul 14 #35
No problem. The Madcap Jul 14 #39
I believe we will because mankind will ultimately evolve. The question is how long it will take. hamsterjill Jul 14 #5
Is it all for power? kentuck Jul 14 #6
And religion. hamsterjill Jul 14 #13
Destroying a country is a lousy way to convince people of your beliefs. The Madcap Jul 14 #18
Well, I would totally agree. hamsterjill Jul 14 #21
The destruction of our government paves the way for the next question: dalton99a Jul 14 #7
And then further questions... kentuck Jul 14 #10
Yes, in a couple of generations Dave says Jul 14 #8
There is only one way to recover - complete societal breakdown and reformation of the nation in its aftermath. Moostache Jul 14 #9
Great post, Moostache! Dave says Jul 14 #33
It will reform itself, but for better or worse, no one knows. All I know is that I can never look alwaysinasnit Jul 14 #11
We did it once Greg_In_SF Jul 14 #12
The GOP is greater than 50 percent of the government Johonny Jul 14 #14
Yes, markodochartaigh Jul 14 #31
Yes, but his collaborators will never be able to wash off the stink. surfered Jul 14 #15
Recovery requires a new constitution. Efilroft Sul Jul 14 #16
... For all the dreams we've dreamed struggle4progress Jul 14 #19
Nope. America put itself on a downslope and pushed itself really hard. RockRaven Jul 14 #20
At this point is up to the people to rise up in mass and say no more LS0999 Jul 14 #23
Climate change will strain this nation to the core. The future is very grim. Kaleva Jul 14 #24
Eventually. But not in the years I have remaining. Oopsie Daisy Jul 14 #25
I don't see how the world every trusts us again. There was 4 years of this nonsense that managed to kill off Vinca Jul 14 #26
Not until citizens reject materialism and are satisfied with a simple life. bucolic_frolic Jul 14 #27
I Hope So! BBbats Jul 14 #28
It seems like 9 years, but has not even been 9 months JCMach1 Jul 14 #29
I hope my grandkids will live to see it. I'll be 78 this Sept., & I think recovery will take 2 generations... Hekate Jul 14 #30
No angrychair Jul 14 #32
I find your lack of faith disturbing. ForgedCrank Jul 14 #36
OK. I confess. kentuck Jul 14 #37
Nope. Gotta build something new In It to Win It Jul 14 #38
Remains to be seen. MineralMan Jul 14 #40
Decades. JanMichael Jul 14 #41
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