Welcome to DU!
The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards.
Join the community:
Create a free account
Support DU (and get rid of ads!):
Become a Star Member
Latest Breaking News
Editorials & Other Articles
General Discussion
The DU Lounge
All Forums
Issue Forums
Culture Forums
Alliance Forums
Region Forums
Support Forums
Help & Search
General Discussion
In reply to the discussion: Family that moved to Russia for "trad" values followup: Husband being sent to the Ukraine frontline [View all]NJCher
(40,729 posts)50. I solved that problem early in life
by finding a copy of Escape from Freedom in the school library. I can even remember finding it on the shelf, pulling it off the bookcase and scanning over the contents. Probably spent a day and a half reading it and I recall the feeling of "well that explains that." I bought a copy and still have it. I think I was around 12 or 13 when I discovered this.
For MAGAts, it's kinda' like Barbie saying "math is hard."
Here's a few paragraphs of a review:
This book gave me a bit of an existential crisis, but in a good way. In Escape from Freedom, Erich Fromm explores the historical affinity of man towards external authority, from God, to kings, to fascism, and questions why the freedom societies fight so hard for becomes unbearable. According to Fromm, the separation of man from society to enjoy his individuality creates a positive and negative version of freedom. In the former, he can be himself, but in the latter, he is unable to be alone. This negative freedom results in a desperate search for solidarity that culminates in authoritarianism, which depends on the interdependence of sadism and masochism to fulfill the primal satisfaction of power and submission.
I also enjoyed Fromms discussion of the dilemma of freedom in modern democratic nations, where we are encouraged to be free, but this freedom is defined for us already and nobody truly has any thoughts, ideas or goals independent from society. Fromm isnt recommending anarchy, but that societys goals shift to the cultivation of minds and individuals rather than capital. Fromms solution to the freedom question is spontaneity, or a creative expression of love and work that unites man with nature and others and allows him to truly be himself without isolation.
Theres so much more that this book gets into, from how Protestantism created the ideological grounds for capitalism to how media in democracies is designed to placate the masses. In the end, this book made me think a lot more about what I really think, and Id recommend it to anyone whos interested in redefining their perception of freedom and individuality.
I also enjoyed Fromms discussion of the dilemma of freedom in modern democratic nations, where we are encouraged to be free, but this freedom is defined for us already and nobody truly has any thoughts, ideas or goals independent from society. Fromm isnt recommending anarchy, but that societys goals shift to the cultivation of minds and individuals rather than capital. Fromms solution to the freedom question is spontaneity, or a creative expression of love and work that unites man with nature and others and allows him to truly be himself without isolation.
Theres so much more that this book gets into, from how Protestantism created the ideological grounds for capitalism to how media in democracies is designed to placate the masses. In the end, this book made me think a lot more about what I really think, and Id recommend it to anyone whos interested in redefining their perception of freedom and individuality.
Had I not found this book, I'd have been as puzzled as you were by anyone wanting to live in an authoritarian regime.
And notice in the above 3 paragraphs how we here at DU picked up on all this and we frequently criticize it (media, for example).
Edit history
Please sign in to view edit histories.
Recommendations
11 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):
142 replies
= new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight:
NoneDon't highlight anything
5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
RecommendedHighlight replies with 5 or more recommendations

Family that moved to Russia for "trad" values followup: Husband being sent to the Ukraine frontline [View all]
jmbar2
Tuesday
OP
Something is fishy about this. There is a language barrier unless these fools speak Russian.
brush
Tuesday
#65
Please, the N. Koreans were army units sent by their government. This is not the same thing.
brush
Tuesday
#75
Sad. I guess some are gullible enough. One family in Canada, one here. Not the sharpest tools in the shed.
brush
Tuesday
#93
The Canadian Family has boys who are teen and pre-teen so let's see what happens to them in the near future.
Bev54
Tuesday
#101
All I know is, even with trump's crap, I still prefer living here than in Putin's Russia.
brush
Tuesday
#131
The US, Canada and European countries don't have an ex-KGB megaloniacal leader who starts wars...
brush
Tuesday
#129
The N. Koreans were N. Korean army units, not at all the same thing. And learning a language takes...
brush
Tuesday
#91
While it doesn't speak about US recruits, it does include many who are unlikely to speak Russian.
Ms. Toad
Tuesday
#111
You can find their updates on youtube under countryside acres the Feenstra family
Bev54
Wednesday
#136
They've thrown of the tyranny of All Things Considered & Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me.
Torchlight
Tuesday
#4
Be a real shame if he gets snuffed by trump's new policy change on arming Ukraine
Hassin Bin Sober
Tuesday
#10
Yes. Russian NRA 'honeypot' Maria Butina is promoting this as a member of the Russian Parliament
emulatorloo
Tuesday
#34
Wow, they moved there in early 2025 and he's already been drafted & sent to the front lines?
tanyev
Tuesday
#11
Hey, it's a job in a place totally without social security nets or a free market economy.
Hugin
Tuesday
#68
"I want to contribute and earn our place here by serving in the Russian army."
dalton99a
Tuesday
#15
" ... moving to Russia and enlisting in the military is a good life plan is already exhibiting poor thinking skills."
Botany
Tuesday
#31
The North Koreans in Ukraine have a 33% casualty rate and any Russian who is spotted now is
Botany
Tuesday
#38
The morons can't grasp: Some people are WIRED DIFFERENTLY & how dare you be arrogant enough TO JUDGE OR MISTREAT THEM?
lostnfound
Tuesday
#23
I have no doubt that the 3 young girls will grow up hating and resenting their parents
FakeNoose
Tuesday
#61
And how long do they think they can keep the children ignorant about things outside their bubble?
tanyev
Tuesday
#48
Moscow is cleaner and safer because anything else gets you dead. What an inspiration.
mucholderthandirt
Tuesday
#63
I wonder if any of the friends and family who supported their move are also considering making the same move?
mwmisses4289
Tuesday
#40
It would be supremely ironic if his daughter turns out to be LGBTQ after all this.
jmbar2
Tuesday
#79
Thanks, I did find their youtube channel, their son is getting big, might be drafted soon.
Bev54
Wednesday
#135
Ultimate FAFO. I am so sorry they thought things would be better in the Russia ...
marble falls
Tuesday
#90