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AZJonnie

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9. Okay, it's not impossible

Reply to Irish_Dem (Reply #7)

Wed Jul 16, 2025, 12:21 PM

Jul 16

There is some small chance it was murder by very-professional assassins, like something out of a spy movie, and everything went perfectly right for the scheme, with lots of potential points of failure. I think given the bulk of evidence it is much more likely that the dude offed himself. Of course everyone is free to have their own opinions and conjecture on the matter. Put it like this, I'd take a 10-1 odds on a bet on this subject, that would reflect my confidence level accurately.

Also there was no garrote found at the scene, and the ME would've known the cause of death was garroting as opposed to strangulation by bedsheet

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The infuriating facet of the Epstein affair, for me, is the lack of an outcry about the cause of his death. [View all] Rafi Jul 16 OP

Recommended H2O Man Jul 16 #1

Not enough evidence but that doesn't mean MadameButterfly Jul 16 #5

The official story is a combo of negligence and incompetence and indifference, RockRaven Jul 16 #2

Surprise. Our society is run by mafia rules. usonian Jul 16 #3

"Wake up, sheeple." JoseBalow Jul 16 #4

I think if there's any conspiracy, it is that he was 'allowed' to commit suicide. AZJonnie Jul 16 #6

Some of your points can be refuted. Irish_Dem Jul 16 #7

Okay, it's not impossible AZJonnie Jul 16 #9

It would have been relatively simple. Rafi Jul 16 #12

That's not accurate EdmondDantes_ Jul 16 #13

Most of the he cameras were not functioning. The "raw" footage was not raw. Rafi Jul 16 #14

I think there would be a way around some of your points. Irish_Dem Jul 16 #17

No it sounds like you've watched too many movies EdmondDantes_ Jul 16 #18

I do work on cold case crime scene staging. It is based on science, data, facts. Irish_Dem Jul 16 #19

These points can be refuted as well. Irish_Dem Jul 16 #16

My mistake, the only thing I've ever heard called a 'garrote' is the wire with the handles AZJonnie Jul 16 #21

There is something called Threshold Bias. Irish_Dem Jul 16 #20

Guesswork Rafi Jul 16 #8

Lol, the only thing I said that was "guesswork" was speculating there could be a life insurance policy AZJonnie Jul 16 #10

There are no "facts" from the Bill Barr investigation other than that he is dead. Rafi Jul 16 #11

"He could just as easily not been despondent" AZJonnie Jul 16 #15

This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Jul 16 #22