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In reply to the discussion: The Origins of "Grok." [View all]Bernardo de La Paz
(57,143 posts)19. Musk has a childish (in good and bad senses) fascination with the Red Planet
Red Planet is the name of one of Heinlein's best books. A gripping yarn littered with bits of science and political philosophy through and through. Thoroughly grounded in the best scientific understanding of Mars at the time, he got it right about how the atmosphere was very thin and the climate very cold. True to his strength as a writer, he was very imaginative in weaving that in with well considered aliens and delving into their alien-ness while conveying a sense that humans would still be able to connect.
It was written as the third of his young adult novels 1947-1958 (one a year), and I read it as 5th or 6th grader. I re-read it for the first time in decades a couple of years ago, and I couldn't put it down.
Muck uses a retro 40s/50s imagining of a "pressure suit" and helmet as his avatar sometimes, such as might have been used on Heinlein's 1949 Mars, and consistent with the kind of illustrations in the hardcover. I have no info, but I don't doubt for an instant that he has read Red Planet in his youth. I thought that before the name Grok came up for his AI chat bot.
It was written as the third of his young adult novels 1947-1958 (one a year), and I read it as 5th or 6th grader. I re-read it for the first time in decades a couple of years ago, and I couldn't put it down.
Muck uses a retro 40s/50s imagining of a "pressure suit" and helmet as his avatar sometimes, such as might have been used on Heinlein's 1949 Mars, and consistent with the kind of illustrations in the hardcover. I have no info, but I don't doubt for an instant that he has read Red Planet in his youth. I thought that before the name Grok came up for his AI chat bot.
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I'd guess it was assigned reading. I was at the U in the mid 60s. A lot of profs thought Heinlein
erronis
Friday
#28
Heinlein became libertarian, even if he still had some compassion. The Wikipedia article has a section
muriel_volestrangler
Friday
#3
Thanks for the link. The writer is pretty balanced but is harsh on Heinlein's flaws, as he should be.
Bernardo de La Paz
Friday
#9
What was so wonderful about Asimov is that he wrote a wide variety of topics both in fiction and nonfiction.
HeartsCanHope
Friday
#20
My background is in library science. Asimov was able to reach his readers at their level.
HeartsCanHope
Friday
#26
I think what you're describing is the difference between science fiction, and science fantasy.
erronis
Friday
#31
I like your viewpoint. And as you said, it depends on where we are in our intellectual development.
erronis
Friday
#61
I rate it in the middle part of his works, above average. But he has lots better.
Bernardo de La Paz
Friday
#14
That sounds about right. I had scifi writers I liked a lot better than Heinlein.
MineralMan
Friday
#22
I think Heinlein is the most American of all SF writers and the best story teller too. Others are more lyrical
Bernardo de La Paz
Friday
#30
...and, Grok is powered by the largest AI supercomputer in the world, Colossus.
LudwigPastorius
Friday
#11
Musk has a childish (in good and bad senses) fascination with the Red Planet
Bernardo de La Paz
Friday
#19
Pournelle has politics many here do not like. He wrote good hard science SF but has PhD in Political Science. . . . . nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Friday
#32
He was very intelligent and could be very nice and helpful. But he tended to be wrong on politics,
highplainsdem
Friday
#57
"Uncensored version"? Do tell -- I read the first paperback as a teenager mid-60s. What's the history?
Hekate
Friday
#59
Huge Heinlein fan. Although his political leanings were obvious in his fiction early on The Moon is a Harsh Mistress etc
Noodleboy13
Friday
#36
My exposure to Heinlein is all through XMas gifts from my uncle. Who was head of polisci at creighton in omaha.
Noodleboy13
Friday
#70
I have a relative who's changed political views based on her husbands' views. Always struck me as
highplainsdem
Friday
#48
Musk has referenced other SF writers as well, and IMO never really understood them.
highplainsdem
Friday
#46