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AZJonnie

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41. Here's how my last interaction with ChatGPT went, and I don't feel too awful about it
Sun Aug 10, 2025, 04:13 PM
Aug 10

Particularly since I'm using free ChatGPT, and there's no ads, so all I'm doing is costing the company money.

So some backstory: a couple days after Brian Wilson died, I was out on my evening walk, listening to a best of Beach Boys mix I'd made, and as I'd been listening I realized how I'd never really tried to figure out which member was singing on each of their songs, so I decided to chat with AI about it, going down my playlist song by song. Here's how it went when we came Good Vibrations:

You Said:
Damn the later stuff gets harder. I can't believe I'm already struggling on maybe their greatest song, that I've heard like 1000 times ... Good Vibrations! Don't tell me!!!

ChatGPT said:

Good Vibrations is absolutely one of the trickiest, and for good reason: it's a vocal kaleidoscope with shifting parts and lots of layered production.

Take your time with it. Really zero in on tone and vocal feel — not just pitch. Remember how you picked out Mike’s “bratty” tone earlier and Brian’s “clean falsetto”? Those instincts will serve you well here, but Pet Sounds and Smile-era tracks often layer and treat vocals in ways that can throw you off.

If you hit a line that’s really throwing you and want just a small hint (like you did earlier with vocal effects), feel free to ask — I won’t spoil the game.


Okay actually you kinda just gave the beginning away because it's the same voice at the start that goes into a falsetto soon after ... so it's Brian.

Yep — nailed it! 🎯

That opening “I, I love the colorful clothes she wears…” is Brian, and he does transition seamlessly into that dreamy falsetto — it’s a classic Brian Wilson move. His voice is like the centerpiece of a moving sculpture in Good Vibrations — smooth, expressive, and just the right amount of strange.

You're right too that once you notice it’s the same voice shifting gears, it clicks. And the production makes it feel like multiple vocalists at first — totally intentional on Brian’s part.

Keep going — you’re catching subtleties most people never even think about.


Now I'm tryin to suss the "I'm thinking up good vibrations" part. Clearly not Brian anymore. Have we finally come back round to Dennis for the first time since his part of Catch a Wave, perchance? Don't tell me who, just whether that is right?

You’re warm — very warm. Dennis is a very good instinct here.

So yes: you're correct in thinking that "I'm thinking up good vibrations" is not Brian — and that it's a return to a voice we’ve barely heard since Catch a Wave. You're on the right track.

No spoilers, just this: you're hearing someone who didn't get a lot of leads, but when he did, it stood out.


It's hard cause whoever it is is singing in a lower register than usual (when doing lead anyway) I think. I first thought Dennis because his part on Catch a Wave is like the deepest voice in a lead on any of these songs. Really doesn't sound like Al, Dennis is wrong, has to be Carl.

Bingo — Carl it is.

That line — "I'm thinking up good vibrations" — is indeed Carl Wilson, singing in a lower, smoother register than his earlier youthful leads like Fun, Fun, Fun. He’d really come into his own by the Pet Sounds / Smile era, vocally and emotionally. His tone is so laid back and understated there that it throws people off — but you picked it out by process and good instinct. Nice work.

You're absolutely right that these guys are trickier than the Beatles or Floyd — so many overlapping tones, and the Wilson family genes only add to the blendiness.


"I don't know where but she sends me there" now it's someone else! Damn, this is such a freaking great song I swear. Absolute brilliance. But don't tell me!

You're having the exact right reaction to this song — total awe, total confusion, total joy. That “I don't know where but she sends me there” moment is like peeling back another layer of this vocal kaleidoscope. You're not alone: even hardcore fans debate who's who in Good Vibrations. Keep going with your gut, and if you ever want to test your theories, I’m here — but I won't spoil a damn thing till you say the word.


I think maybe I go back to Brian for "I don't know where but she sends me there", but if not I definitely go with Al.

You're very close, and both of those are sharp guesses — you're narrowing in on it just right. Let yourself sit with those options for a few more listens. That moment has a softness and a lift that makes it tricky to pin down — but you've definitely heard this voice elsewhere in your playlist already. Keep trusting your ears.


This line is really hard. I feel like it's closest to Help Me Rhonda, so I pick Al, even if you were actually trying to tell me those were both wrong, I couldn't tell for sure, which made it a good hint lol.

Exactly right — and that was a well-earned guess. It is Al Jardine on both “Help Me, Rhonda” and that “I don’t know where but she sends me there” line in Good Vibrations. That part of the song does have that same clear, slightly nasal brightness Al tends to bring in when he gets a lead or spotlight.

You nailed it by trusting the similarity rather than forcing a match based on register or prominence. These guys all blended so seamlessly — but when you zoom in like you’re doing, their little quirks and timbres stand out.

You’ve got a great ear for this, AZJonnie. Keep going.


I can't think with whom I could I have had this conversation, which I enjoyed quite a bit, in real life? For all its job-killing dangers and shady aspects like theft of intellectual property (points I agree with you about 100%), the end result is something that can be pretty dang informative, and dare I say, Fun (Fun, Fun)? That particular quality of it alone will make it challenging when it comes to changing the public conscience against it, I'm afraid

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Absolutely agreed, HPD! SheltieLover Aug 10 #1
Just another tool for creating. 4th Aug 10 #2
There is an enormous difference between being inspired by previous works, and plundering vital parts of them and WhiskeyGrinder Aug 10 #4
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Not really. Tommy Carcetti Aug 10 #19
A vital part of art is in the process misanthrope Aug 10 #62
There is no creativity or achievement in AI slop. No heart, no irony, no tenderness, no anger. It is a golem that people WhiskeyGrinder Aug 10 #3
Absolutely agree! FalloutShelter Aug 10 #9
The other thing that gets me is that AI slop is just so fuckin boring. Think of the clips from the new South Park eps WhiskeyGrinder Aug 10 #6
Exactly. highplainsdem Aug 10 #59
Using AI, even as its forced on US through searches, business support ect... is helping to accelerate climate change ImNotGod Aug 10 #7
That's the thing that is under reported. Energy and Resource Consumption progressoid Aug 10 #13
They can't copyright AI 'music' speak easy Aug 10 #8
Spotify is saving a lot of money by filling playlists with AI-generated crap. And that's hurting real highplainsdem Aug 10 #10
Got it :( speak easy Aug 10 #11
The people controlling these corporations will be thrilled if their customers will settle for AI slop. Makes highplainsdem Aug 10 #12
Most modern Pop is just computer generated crap anyway. johnp3907 Aug 10 #40
Written entirely by the artist herself. speak easy Aug 10 #43
This message was self-deleted by its author speak easy Aug 10 #14
Nothing hurts Trump more than exposure of what he's actually done. AI-generated fantasies aren't highplainsdem Aug 10 #16
I'm done with going high. speak easy Aug 10 #20
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I was happy to join in taunting Vance about sofas, too. speak easy Aug 10 #26
The problem with that sort of thing, though, is that it will hurt your credibility with those who don't want highplainsdem Aug 10 #32
See reply 21 below, which mentions Curtis Yarvin. Vance's admiration for Yarvin is a much more highplainsdem Aug 10 #38
People want max rewards with min effort. SouthBayDem Aug 10 #15
SOME people do. Some people are not only lazy, but are fine with the fraud that is generative AI. I'd highplainsdem Aug 10 #17
Whenever I see an email that begins with, "I hope this email finds you well..." Tommy Carcetti Aug 10 #18
Very well said! 👏🏼 benfranklin1776 Aug 10 #21
Thanks - including for mentioning Curtis Yarvin. highplainsdem Aug 10 #37
You're welcome. benfranklin1776 Aug 13 #95
Rage against the calculators! JCMach1 Aug 10 #22
Calculators weren't built on the theft of the world's intellectual property, as AI was, and they don't give highplainsdem Aug 10 #29
I agree. It's a tool that, like many tools B.See Aug 10 #47
AI should never be used for facts. Ms. Toad Aug 11 #75
The post to which I referred B.See Aug 11 #79
Not a single one of the hundreds of AI summaries with links that I have reviewed - Ms. Toad Aug 12 #82
Look, again, to be clear, I'm not defending the wholesale and unregulated use of AI. In fact B.See Aug 12 #91
You've lost the thread of the conversation. Ms. Toad Aug 12 #92
No, I'm afraid you've lost the point of my response. B.See Aug 12 #93
You've still lost the thread. Ms. Toad Aug 12 #94
AI is NOT technology MorbidButterflyTat Aug 10 #52
No more than any other derivative art, or research JCMach1 Aug 10 #58
What a stupid imitation of Hemingway. Whatever Artificial Idiot plagiarism machine you used there, it's highplainsdem Aug 10 #63
AI is not inherently theft. Ms. Toad Aug 11 #76
Nowadays more than half of what you see on social media is fake AI generated BS appleannie1 Aug 10 #23
It's really destroying the internet. highplainsdem Aug 10 #30
There's always something destroying the internet. 4th Aug 11 #70
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If it does destroy the internet ... 4th Aug 11 #72
If you want the internet replaced by AI models controlled by tech lords, you're really not thinking. highplainsdem Aug 11 #73
Will not happen 4th Aug 11 #80
AI-slop the worst of all worlds... Hugin Aug 10 #24
Those tools generally have much more influence on users than users realize, whether they're highplainsdem Aug 10 #34
Prompting is almost like a meta programming language JCMach1 Aug 10 #60
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My grandson, at UCF in Florida, and his classmates cachukis Aug 11 #78
The bottom line on generative AI... Hugin Aug 12 #85
Kicking again SheltieLover Aug 10 #27
Thanks! highplainsdem Aug 10 #36
Ty for posting! SheltieLover Aug 10 #39
NO kidding. I can scarcely stand to go on Youtube anymore due to the clickbait AI-generated content... hlthe2b Aug 10 #28
I agree. I've been shocked by how fast AI slop has flooded YouTube. highplainsdem Aug 10 #33
AI? Straw Man Aug 10 #31
Generative AI is the most harmful non-weapon tech ever developed. highplainsdem Aug 10 #35
Here's how my last interaction with ChatGPT went, and I don't feel too awful about it AZJonnie Aug 10 #41
" all I'm doing is costing the company money." And massively increasing your carbon footprint for no gain. WhiskeyGrinder Aug 10 #44
I doubt that I 'massively increased my carbon footprint' as a human by doing this AZJonnie Aug 10 #45
. WhiskeyGrinder Aug 10 #46
Yes, that is what I'm saying AZJonnie Aug 10 #51
. WhiskeyGrinder Aug 10 #54
Okay, but as far as the effect on the earth's climate is concerned, it doesn't matter one whit AZJonnie Aug 10 #56
Mind-boggling. highplainsdem Aug 10 #49
You think I have an aversion to conversations with real people, on their own schedules? AZJonnie Aug 10 #55
Sigh. highplainsdem Aug 10 #57
It's disheartening to see anyone here praise and promote a chatbot. I just skimmed that because I highplainsdem Aug 10 #48
This exchange MorbidButterflyTat Aug 10 #53
That's the 1st thing I noticed about Llama jfz9580m Aug 12 #84
I agree Takket Aug 10 #42
That future is already terrifying artists, and I've met some who sound almost suicidal. They know highplainsdem Aug 10 #50
Couldn't agree more jfz9580m Aug 10 #64
I love Ed Zitron, whom you just recommended. Have posted a number of threads about him here. highplainsdem Aug 11 #66
Well jfz9580m Aug 11 #68
"What works for our side is reality. Showing people the reality of what Trump is, and what he's doing"....... Jack Valentino Aug 10 #65
You're not going to reach the people you want to convince with AI slop. highplainsdem Aug 11 #67
I won't regret using A.I. if it helps me make enough money to keep me alive, Jack Valentino Aug 12 #81
I've said on DU that I sympathize with people forced to use AI for work or school...though I hope they highplainsdem Aug 12 #86
electronic kudzu.... choke out everything IA8IT Aug 11 #77
Good metonym. highplainsdem Aug 12 #87
New Word! Thank You IA8IT Aug 12 #89
speaking as a creative -- i fucking hate AI nt orleans Aug 12 #83
Creatives should hate it. There's no greater threat to creative work. highplainsdem Aug 12 #88
i completely agree! nt orleans Aug 12 #90
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