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Ocelot II

(128,473 posts)
6. It looks like Lindsey Hooligan might have lied in the first place
Wed Nov 19, 2025, 12:35 PM
Nov 19

about the way she presented the indictment.

What happened is that the prosecutor had presented the grand jury with two inconsistent indictments, the first with three counts and the second removing the first count. Both indictments were fully executed by grand jury foreperson and the prosecutor. After questioning the GJ foreperson the magistrate judge accepted the return of the second signed indictment, which was a new indictment that would have been presented to the GJ before being returned in open court. It now appears that may not have happened. The prosecutor stated that after the grand jury was left to deliberate on the first indictment at approximately 4:28 p.m., she had no further contact with the grand jury, and that about two hours later the acting assistant USA notified her that the grand jury returned a true bill on only two of the three counts of the first indictment. The prosecutor then went to the courtroom for the return of the indictment. The hearing on the return of the indictment began only about 7 minutes later. From the court's memorandum:

The short time span between the moment the prosecutor learned that the grand jury rejected one count in the original indictment and the time the prosecutor appeared in court to return the second indictment could not have been sufficient to draft the second indictment, sign the second indictment, present it to the grand jury, provide legal instructions to the grand jury, and give them an opportunity to deliberate and render a decision on the new indictment. If the prosecutor is mistaken about the time she received notification of the grand jury’s vote on the original indictment, and this procedure did take place, then the transcript and audio recording provided to the Court are incomplete. If this procedure did not take place, then the Court is in uncharted legal territory in that the indictment returned in open court was not the same charging document presented to and deliberated upon by the grand jury.

If the Court is to read the prosecutor’s declaration as suggesting there was no contact between any government official and the grand jury after 4:28 p.m., then it begs the question of how the then-First Assistant learned that the grand jury had refused to indict on one count, and how the First Assistant knew which count had been rejected by the grand jury, all before the indictment was returned in open court.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.vaed.582135/gov.uscourts.vaed.582135.191.0.pdf

Maybe incompetent Insurance Lawyer Barbie didn't want to present an indictment that included a count as to which the GJ found no probable cause - she wanted to be able to say they'd indicted Comey on all counts. But, as the judge suspected, she never actually presented the second, two-count indictment at all. Either she was trying to pull a fast one, or else she just has no idea how to do any of this. In either event, her incompetence and/or duplicity has probably torpedoed the last shreds of what was a phony prosecution in the first place.

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The defense is dunking on them: "There is no indictment." Prairie Gates Nov 19 #1
It is clear that Halligan is not a criminal lawyer LetMyPeopleVote Nov 19 #2
Actually, she is a "criminal" lawyer, if you get my drift. NotHardly Nov 19 #18
When is one of these judges going to start lecturing the AUSAs about their duties RockRaven Nov 19 #3
Well they are the Historic NY Nov 19 #4
Any lawyer will agree with me. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 19 #5
Yup. You don't want the best obstetrician in town to do your open-heart surgery. Ocelot II Nov 19 #7
On the refrigerator in her office she had a sheet of paper with lawyers in different specialities. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 19 #21
Good Post ProfessorGAC Nov 19 #8
Actually, with Grand Juries it may be the opposite Jersey Devil Nov 19 #15
Not once the statue of limitations has expired. n/t Ms. Toad Nov 19 #30
I am a corporate attorney and while I have worked on litigation matters, I would not think about doing a grand jury LetMyPeopleVote Nov 19 #16
I think you all are giving her way too much credit! yardwork Nov 19 #22
correct 'yardwork'...and they are also intended to democratsruletheday Nov 19 #24
I have had a divorce lawyer and tax attorney meddle in employment law. Pacifist Patriot Nov 19 #25
It looks like Lindsey Hooligan might have lied in the first place Ocelot II Nov 19 #6
That sounds illegal? kentuck Nov 19 #9
No trial to miss. It should be a dismissal. rzemanfl Nov 19 #12
. Baitball Blogger Nov 19 #10
'Unreal incompetence': Lindsey Halligan makes stunning 'admission' about James Comey case LetMyPeopleVote Nov 19 #11
KKK&&&RRR!!! UTUSN Nov 19 #13
The Judge should file a disbarment request for every prosecutor involved Mr.WeRP Nov 19 #14
The judge has ordered briefing on this LetMyPeopleVote Nov 19 #17
George Conway said that a month ago. They never had a case. nt leftyladyfrommo Nov 19 #19
Clowns Half-step Nov 19 #20
This seems to be a rectal-cranial prosecution strategy...n/t PatrickforB Nov 19 #23
I never knew that if you don't like a court document you can just alter it to your liking. Irish_Dem Nov 19 #26
The way you describe it... PJMcK Nov 19 #27
I wonder if he will ask her to step into his chambers. Irish_Dem Nov 19 #28
The judge ordered DOJ to file an explanation of the grand jury screw-up by 5 p.m. EST today Trumpdumper Nov 19 #29
Ty Cobb-Attorney General Pam Bondi and interim U.S. Attorney Lindsey Halligan should be disbarred LetMyPeopleVote Nov 19 #31
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