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Bluetus

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27. Absolutely. These UN things are all PR, and Ukr needs to match the PR

Reply to moonshinegnomie (Reply #16)

Fri Nov 21, 2025, 01:28 PM

Nov 21

And they should include additional terms such as sanctions against Russia because of their pattern of aggression, limitations on their rebuilding of armaments and so on.

None of these things will be agreed, but it is important to take some control over the messaging. Maybe it is time for the big EU countries to step in with the Ukraine peace plan.

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Ukraine is rejecting Trump's plan right now at the UN Security Council. [View all] spanone Nov 21 OP

This doesn't surprise me. Trump claimed he could end the Russian invasion of Ukraine on day one. Putin uses Trump OLDMDDEM Nov 21 #1

Hurray for Ukraine. sinkingfeeling Nov 21 #2

Cede 1/3 of their territory, huge reduce their military, ban NATO. Russia gets to join the world economy. Swede Nov 21 #3

Trmp is such an embarrassment. spanone Nov 21 #4

Hell to the NO! iluvtennis Nov 21 #22

American pResident, BidenRocks Nov 22 #33

The TrumPutin Plan is a death proposal. To TrumPutin, the World is their Fifth Avenue. RedWhiteBlueIsRacist Nov 21 #5

now we get to see putin puppet tRump throw tantrums and threaten Ukraine. nt yaesu Nov 21 #6

So much winning! llmart Nov 21 #7

Well, Duh? Had to give up everything, Russia gave up nothing. surfered Nov 21 #8

It was no peace plan, it was a surrender plan ashredux Nov 21 #9

trmp is negotiating for Russia. spanone Nov 21 #12

Woo hoo! duckworth969 Nov 21 #10

Russia is going to lose... justaprogressive Nov 21 #11

Who's a good boy! Who's Vladys good boy! Hey Joe Nov 21 #13

Too bad, Donnie, no "peace prize" for you. paleotn Nov 21 #14

Trump's "plan" is unilateral disarmament and a territory giveaway. Shades of Neville Chamberlain. Martin68 Nov 21 #15

ukraine should present a similar plan to the UN except moonshinegnomie Nov 21 #16

Absolutely. These UN things are all PR, and Ukr needs to match the PR Bluetus Nov 21 #27

And reject it should! democrank Nov 21 #17

Like they should. Iggo Nov 21 #18

Now noble malaise Nov 21 #19

As well they should blue-wave Nov 21 #20

"..*rump's plan..." MorbidButterflyTat Nov 21 #21

There's no "plan" - there's never any fucking "plan" or "deal". Just Assmouth's unending venality. 617Blue Nov 21 #23

Surprise surprise. ananda Nov 21 #24

Slava Ukraini! electric_blue68 Nov 21 #25

Counter offer: aeromanKC Nov 21 #26

This was a no-brainer. Wednesdays Nov 21 #28

Excellent, trump/putin can never be trusted vapor2 Nov 21 #29

I sure hope this doesn't hurt Trumps chances for winning Peace Prize next year. Gimpyknee Nov 21 #30

Good...nt Figarosmom Nov 22 #31

Bravo Ukraine DallasNE Nov 22 #32

Good for Ukraine, it's a horrific plan ...👎nt Raine Nov 22 #34

Stupid plan offered by a fat orange imbecile wolfie001 Nov 22 #35

Good. It wasn't a plan it was just a gift to Putin mdbl Nov 22 #36

Are there reputable organizations out there BonnieJW Nov 22 #37

Trump is such a simpleton. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 22 #38

Dump was just being Putin's lapdog sakabatou Nov 22 #39

They knew they couldn't accept a peace deal that would destroy them as a nation. Borogove Nov 22 #40

Europe needs to step up its game and stop relying on the US Arazi Nov 22 #41