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Polybius

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88. Doesn't matter if the President is Satan himself

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Sun Nov 23, 2025, 11:15 AM

Nov 23

He's the most powerful man on the planet. You can't not talk to him.

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Here's a good question re Mamdani/TSF [View all] mcar Nov 21 OP

Two women vs two men. Irish_Dem Nov 21 #1

sexism. End of story. nt mcar Nov 21 #2

I agree LetMyPeopleVote Nov 22 #69

But if it were Biden campaigning with Dick Cheney, I'd be against that too Polybius Nov 23 #89

damn right RockCreek Nov 21 #4

True words....... Nt Hope22 Nov 22 #58

I'm glad Mamdani met with trump, same for Fetterman and other Democrats. Silent Type Nov 21 #3

OK. Did you criticize VP Harris for campaigning with Liz Cheney? mcar Nov 21 #5

Absolutely not, smart move despite any misplaced backlash. Silent Type Nov 21 #6

Thanks mcar Nov 21 #10

Well Traitor being the Polar Opposite Cha Nov 21 #7

I was all for Harris and Cheney. I'm not sure about this meeting, but Tribetime Nov 21 #8

To split maga even more. Good move. mobeau69 Nov 23 #103

You'll have to find someone who condemned Harris for appearing with Cheney. maxsolomon Nov 21 #9

Lots of people on this very site did so at the time mcar Nov 21 #11

Let me rephrase: maxsolomon Nov 21 #12

I'll bite. mr715 Nov 21 #13

And what do you think of today's meeting? mcar Nov 21 #18

I think Mamdani made a fool of Trump nt mr715 Nov 21 #21

So it was good for Mamdani to meet with Trump mcar Nov 22 #27

There seems to be no principles-based rationale for these attacks/praises... W_HAMILTON Nov 22 #29

Except there was no terrible, unprincipled faction of DUers attacking Harris for campaigning with Cheney. Scrivener7 Nov 22 #79

I didn't limit it to just DU since there certainly were those attacks on other social media. W_HAMILTON Nov 22 #80

Lol! Scrivener7 Nov 22 #81

Well, Mamdani is Mayor Elect mr715 Nov 22 #33

That is some serious hair splitting mcar Nov 22 #67

Are you from NYC? mr715 Nov 22 #68

I'm not and I don't disagree mcar Nov 22 #71

I appreciate your perspective. mr715 Nov 22 #73

Thank you for your reply mcar Nov 22 #74

Meeting with and campaigning with are two different things, you know n/t Polybius Nov 23 #90

So? Liz Cheney Denounced Fascist Fuck Traitor Cha Nov 23 #115

So? Polybius Monday #121

How so? Mossfern Nov 22 #31

Did you watch? nt mr715 Nov 22 #34

Some of it Mossfern Nov 22 #38

Certainly: mr715 Nov 22 #40

Reference the fable Mossfern Nov 22 #49

I don't see how that distinguishes one from the other. mr715 Nov 22 #52

"Standing upright without moving" reminds me of a soldier standing at attention. lapucelle Nov 23 #96

In what way are Con Ed rates a theoretical policy win? lapucelle Nov 23 #97

"Theoretical" mr715 Nov 23 #102

That's not policy, theoretical or otherwise. lapucelle Nov 23 #104

OP Is discussing a false equivalence between mr715 Nov 23 #105

Yes, but this subthread is about something else entirely. The claim was that Trump was made a fool of. lapucelle Nov 23 #110

My OP is a false equivalence? Do tell. mcar Nov 23 #114

Yeah, your OP isn't a "false equivalence between the Mamdani Trump meeting, and criticism of Harris campaigning Cha Nov 23 #116

The question of mr715 Nov 23 #117

While you are wrong about the "false equivalence" claim, you are right about the energy analogy being "crap". lapucelle Monday #122

Got it. Thanks. mcar Nov 21 #17

Same thing happened when Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger... sheshe2 Nov 21 #14

I randomly pulled up two threads from the time, and DUers were very enthusiastic about both Scrivener7 Nov 22 #65

They don't understand it was Better to have Cha Nov 23 #118

And today? sheshe2 Nov 23 #119

Yes Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger Cha Nov 23 #120

Seriously? Cirsium Nov 21 #15

... mcar Nov 21 #19

... Cirsium Nov 21 #23

... mr715 Nov 22 #48

Campaigning and losing mr715 Nov 22 #36

Well said. yardwork Nov 22 #44

I did, in fact! mr715 Nov 22 #47

I wish logic was taught every year in schools. yardwork Nov 22 #57

Chess. mr715 Nov 22 #63

That last bit. Iggo Monday #127

This doesn't seem to have had the intended effect. Scrivener7 Nov 21 #16

What effect is that? mcar Nov 21 #20

I assume to shame me into thinking Harris won because of Liz Cheney nt mr715 Nov 22 #37

I also was just wondering if meeting with Trump was okay now. Nixie Nov 21 #22

It isn't great, but it is a necessity. nt mr715 Nov 22 #43

*Shrug* 4 pols pretending to be civil to their opposites. Ping Tung Nov 22 #24

Post removed Post removed Nov 22 #25

Why was Trump sitting down? bucolic_frolic Nov 22 #26

I think both did the right thing for right reasons JI7 Nov 22 #28

Mamdani didn't meet with Trump while campaigning leftstreet Nov 22 #30

No one's buying that. W_HAMILTON Nov 22 #32

It's the wrong question leftstreet Nov 22 #39

Kamala would have been criticized regardless and Mamdani would be supported regardless... W_HAMILTON Nov 22 #51

Okay n/t leftstreet Nov 22 #54

I disagree with that take. See mine below. yardwork Nov 22 #42

Hey, didn't Eric Adams meet with Trump DURING the campaign? mr715 Nov 22 #45

No, because damn near no one liked Adams to begin with and he wasn't going to win regardless. W_HAMILTON Nov 22 #55

Eh, sorta mr715 Nov 22 #56

And it looks like Adams actually met with Trump not during his campaign, but while he was mayor. W_HAMILTON Nov 22 #59

Yes, correct. mr715 Nov 22 #60

Agreed Mossfern Nov 22 #46

Many Democrats have met with Trump Cirsium Nov 22 #70

I haven't attacked any of said politicians. W_HAMILTON Nov 22 #75

Sure Cirsium Nov 22 #77

Not the hypocrisy HERE. As you have agreed, it didn't happen here, and you have Scrivener7 Nov 22 #82

It has happened here as well, as you yourself cited in another post. W_HAMILTON Nov 23 #87

Again - this whole thread is a complaint against an imaginary monster. Scrivener7 Nov 23 #91

No, it isn't. These sorts of disingenuous attacks are what brought down Hillary and Kamala. W_HAMILTON Nov 23 #92

And what I'm saying is that you and others in this thread are imagining enemies among your fellow Democrats Scrivener7 Nov 23 #94

Pointing out the hypocrisy and double standards about this Nixie Nov 22 #85

No equivalence mr715 Nov 23 #93

Wrong. Just substitute Cuomo for someone else and the Nixie Nov 23 #95

Mamdani is the establishment. nt mr715 Nov 23 #98

I lulz'd Nixie Nov 23 #106

One of the perks of winning. nt mr715 Nov 23 #107

Wrong again. It's a perk of a nonsensical switcheroo. Nixie Nov 23 #108

Silly. H2O Man Nov 22 #35

I'm going to annoy a lot of people by saying they're two different things. yardwork Nov 22 #41

Mamdani SunImp Nov 22 #78

When Mamdani campaigns with Trump at numerous campaign spots I'll definitely condemn that. Nanjeanne Nov 22 #50

Me too, for the record. mr715 Nov 22 #53

Spectacular double standard. Benefit of the doubt and praise for doing what many others betsuni Nov 22 #61

I don't remember "lots of people on this very site" condemning Harris for this, so I went to the wayback machine. Scrivener7 Nov 22 #62

Those pesky facts Cirsium Nov 22 #72

There do seem to be some imaginary monsters floating around for some people. Scrivener7 Nov 22 #76

This message was self-deleted by its author SunImp Nov 23 #86

I was in the "Fuck Cheney" camp. Iggo Nov 23 #109

OK. But posts from the time show you were in a very small minority here. Most here were overwhelmingly positive. Scrivener7 Nov 23 #111

I look at Mamdani visiting the White House the same way I saw Pelosi visiting the White House. Iggo Nov 23 #112

Kamala says in her book she campaigned with Cheney for a day and a half. betsuni Nov 22 #64

She's "far right." As opposed to the pedophile in the WH mcar Nov 22 #83

I'm amused by the whole affair. Clearly the Orange Pedophile is struggling to hold on against an apocalypse. As for... NNadir Nov 22 #66

From the little I saw of it's comments, mcar Nov 22 #84

Doesn't matter if the President is Satan himself Polybius Nov 23 #88

From this morning: True Dough Nov 23 #99

Not an apology. This is leadership. mr715 Nov 23 #100

Still pushing this crap? NoRethugFriends Nov 23 #101

I beg your pardon? mcar Monday #123

Well maybe, just maybe, he's trying to do what's best for New York City NoRethugFriends Monday #124

OK let's do this once again mcar Monday #126

Mamdani campaigned and won on his terms and then met with Trump at his request. Passages Nov 23 #113

What remains to be seen is whether or not Mamdani will govern on the terms that he set forth in his campaign. lapucelle Monday #125

So far so good. Passages Monday #128