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Tom Rinaldo

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Thu Nov 27, 2025, 12:45 PM Thursday

22,830 people were murdered in America in 2023. Who were the murderers? [View all]

The source for that figure is https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/homicide.htm

Available statistics show that those of us who got to remain here would be significantly less likely to be murdered in America if Trump deported 5 million U.S citizens rather than 5 million immigrants. Maybe that would be different if in fact Trump was actually prioritizing violent undocumented criminals for deportation, but the results are in. He's not.

Of course the attempted murder of two National Guard members in DC yesterday was horrific, and a tragedy by any standard. That can be said any time an innocent person is murdered (or severely wounded) in America In 2023 that could be said over twenty thousand times. But are immigrants disproportionately responsible for all those tragic deaths? No they are not. It's not even a close call.

I broke down and used Google's AI feature (since a search without it would have been daunting) to ask it the question: "How many murders in the U.S are committed by non American citizens?" Here is the reply I got (the text bolding is my own):

Precise national data on the total number of murders committed by non-American citizens is not systematically collected or published by federal agencies like the FBI. The FBI's Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) program collects data on the age, sex, and race of arrestees, but not their citizenship or immigration status.
However, available data and research from specific states and federal sources indicate the following:

Lower Crime Rates: Multiple academic and government studies consistently show that both legal and undocumented immigrants have lower homicide and total crime conviction/arrest rates than native-born U.S. citizens.

Texas Data as a Proxy: Texas is one of the few states that keeps detailed records on the immigration status of offenders.
For the period of 2012 to 2018, the homicide arrest rate for U.S.-born citizens was 4.8 per 100,000, while it was 1.9 per 100,000 for undocumented immigrants.

In 2022, undocumented immigrants made up about 7.1% of the Texas population and accounted for 67 (or 5%) of the 1,336 homicide convictions. Native-born Americans accounted for 90.5% of the convictions.

Federal Sentences: Non-U.S. citizens accounted for 34.7% of all individuals sentenced in the federal system in fiscal year 2024, but most of these cases were for immigration offenses (72.3%) and drug trafficking (17.6%).

Total Numbers vs. Rates: Claims of non-citizens committing thousands of murders per year are widely dismissed as implausible by experts due to low rates relative to the U.S.-born population.

In summary, while an exact national number is unavailable, the rate of homicides committed by non-citizens is lower than that of U.S.-born citizens




All kinds of people commit murder in America, but the vast majority of those who do are U.S. citizens. While there is no comprehensive data base I can refer you to, I strongly suspect more members of the U.S. clergy commit murder in America than Afghan refugees who were given asylum here. For the record, here is a story which documents a number of American clerical murderers in recent decades. But they just aren't the sort of people Trump likes to demagogue about:

Killer Clergy: Men of the Cloth Who Murdered Their Congregants
https://people.com/crime/killer-clergy-men-of-the-cloth-who-murdered-their-congregants/#:~:text=In%20the%201980s%2C%20the%20Southern%20Baptist%20pastor,left%20for%20dead%20his%20girlfriend%2C%20who%20survived.


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