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haele

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145. That's because a strict hierarchal society does not have the flexibility to allow initiative.

Tue Dec 2, 2025, 11:38 AM

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Everyone has their place in an ordered world. And it's all about bloodlines, not genetics
Rulers are supposed to rule, if you were born in an elite family, you're supposed to be elite - smarter, nobler, more worthy. You're born into your responsibilities. It's pretty much a belief that God's or God intends for your family to carry a certain level of honor.

A Peasant is always a peasant. Just depends on how much in the way of legal rights a peasant or servant is supposed to have; if they're to be considered a tool or an actual living being.

In such societies - like Russia, China, and other more strict societies - the idea that an NCO is anything other than an enforcer or other type of tool for the Commissioned Officer Class is literally unthinkable. An NCO who acted outside of orders could face severe punishment should anything go wrong or their officers felt slighted, insulted, or threatened if they didn't follow orders but succeeded.

A Meritocracy (be it hierarchal or democratic) however...that spurs innovation. That allows for people to move more freely between class structures into and out of leadership.

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Kegsbreath: So "Captain" Kelly, not only did your sedition video intentionally undercut good order & discipline... [View all] demmiblue Nov 25 OP

Kegsbreath just doesn't know when to shut the fuck up, MarineCombatEngineer Nov 25 #1

Digging one's own grave. Botany Nov 25 #18

Not fast enough. MorbidButterflyTat Nov 25 #105

Some one, once said: popsdenver Nov 25 #104

Another Sick Fuck. spanone Nov 25 #2

TOO Much FOXNEWS! Mr.Bee Nov 25 #39

Too much FOXNEWS Dave Id Nov 25 #50

POXNEWS COL Mustard Nov 26 #138

In the Nam, he'd have been woken one morning by a grenade tossed in his hootch. Just sayin', it could happen. marble falls Nov 25 #3

The "Neidermeyer" Effect Bo Zarts Nov 25 #26

I still watch that movie from time to time, MarineCombatEngineer Nov 25 #35

He must have made it back. He was in those Twisted Sister videos jmowreader Nov 25 #111

in my platoon he might have lasted a week rampartd Nov 25 #29

Had a 2nd Lt in AIT who said he was going to have me Court-Martial-ed KS Toronado Nov 25 #53

2nd Lts used to scatter like roaches when a high ranking NCO came into the room. Irish_Dem Nov 25 #84

I was fortunate AverageOldGuy Nov 25 #106

NCOs are one of the reasons the US won WWII. Irish_Dem Nov 25 #110

Sounds just like Donvict's style of leadership KS Toronado Nov 25 #115

Yes Trump is destroying the US military by taking away the ability of troops to make decisions in the field. Irish_Dem Nov 26 #135

That's because a strict hierarchal society does not have the flexibility to allow initiative. haele Tuesday #145

Exactly. Trump is destroying the US military by installing a losing command structure. Irish_Dem Tuesday #146

In my experience, soldierant Nov 26 #130

In the US Air Force, the NCOs keep the planes in the air. Irish_Dem Nov 26 #133

Al the services deoend on their NCOs. soldierant Nov 26 #141

My father would get angry if he heard anyone putting down members of the USAF Irish_Dem Nov 26 #142

And likely did happen. Vietnam Vets saw shit, man. They saw shit Joinfortmill Nov 25 #93

I never saw it happen, MarineCombatEngineer Nov 25 #94

Just a little history ... marble falls Nov 25 #112

Thank you, MarineCombatEngineer Nov 25 #113

Top kicks were king. marble falls Nov 25 #118

This scene from the movie, Rules of Engagement is pretty much the truth in '68. MarineCombatEngineer Nov 25 #114

"16 minutes". marble falls Nov 25 #119

16 fucking minutes, MarineCombatEngineer Nov 25 #120

There were little rules, one was don't stay too close to the radio man. another: don't stand up yelling orders. marble falls Nov 25 #121

Yeah, back then the antennas on our PRC 25's were a dead giveaway, unlike today's MarineCombatEngineer Nov 25 #122

My father tells a story ... SomewhereInTheMiddle Nov 26 #131

Horrifying!!! calimary Nov 26 #132

One way to look at it, another way is that in a hellish situation soldiers who had no stroke in the decisions ... marble falls Nov 26 #139

Can someone confirm that the medals are actually in order and the rows are not reversed? TheRickles Nov 25 #4

I'm no expert, but.... Happy Hoosier Nov 25 #17

I'm no expert, but...Neither is Kegsbreath... Wounded Bear Nov 25 #48

Probably taking the word of a corporal in a Podcast Platoon Captain Zero Nov 25 #103

When you have a shit-ton of medals maxrandb Nov 25 #98

He doesn't have to check. This is all about bullying ecstatic Nov 25 #125

What's his malfunction? C_U_L8R Nov 25 #5

His mommy and daddy didn't love him enough. Ray Bruns Nov 25 #24

"Is he simply that dimwitted and repugnant?" 3catwoman3 Nov 25 #60

He's probably blowing somewhere between a .16 and a .18...n/t the nelm Nov 25 #62

photos posted online are often mirror images lapfog_1 Nov 25 #6

Exactly, MarineCombatEngineer Nov 25 #8

You'd think the self-absorbed former TV yakker who loves his own selfies would know that Attilatheblond Nov 25 #31

Navy wears medals and warfare insignia on the left Jerry2144 Nov 25 #13

I am well aware of Navy protocol lapfog_1 Nov 25 #16

It alway amazes me that when someone like Kegsbreath is too fucking stupid to realize they're MarineCombatEngineer Nov 25 #19

I know if I had said any of these stupid things that these people say I wouldn't show my face in public Walleye Nov 25 #42

Peter Principle and Dunning-Kreuger all in one... 3catwoman3 Nov 25 #61

This entire misadministration maxrandb Nov 25 #100

My point was the photo clearly showed his left shoulder Jerry2144 Nov 25 #20

What a small man Bettie Nov 25 #7

Whiskey Pete is such a jerk. NoMoreRepugs Nov 25 #9

"So 'Captain' Kelly, not only did your sedition video intentionally undercut good order & discipline... sop Nov 25 #10

lets put that on the to do list. rampartd Nov 25 #32

It's weird the way they think they will never be out of power Walleye Nov 25 #44

And he can go to the brig at Leavenworth with "Mikhail" Flynn.... lastlib Nov 25 #65

Don't forget Flynn travelingthrulife Nov 25 #79

Did Whiskey Pete ever get as much as a good conduct medal Norbert Nov 25 #11

Putting Kelly's rank in quotes "Captain" is an insult and insinuating Kelly does not hold the rank of USN Captain. Irish_Dem Nov 25 #12

I would say Pete is undermining good order and discipline with these statements Walleye Nov 25 #45

It is a direct threat to national security. Irish_Dem Nov 25 #49

Yes, why on earth would anybody make sacrifices for Hegseth or Trump? Walleye Nov 25 #51

Exactly. We are witnessing the destruction of the finest military in the world. Irish_Dem Nov 25 #56

Yes, and we're not being destroyed by an enemy, that's the scary part Walleye Nov 25 #57

The USA is destroying itself in front of the world. Irish_Dem Nov 25 #59

Al Queta and ISIS will likely do nothing like 911 anymore Norbert Nov 25 #83

I have thought for eight years now that Putin must laugh himself to sleep every night Walleye Nov 25 #87

Yep. The crime of the century was like taking candy from a baby. Irish_Dem Nov 25 #88

Turns out it's easy to scam a scammer Walleye Nov 25 #89

Yep. And most of the US folded like cheap lawn chairs. Irish_Dem Nov 25 #90

Yes, I'm extremely disappointed in my fellow Americans Walleye Nov 25 #92

I agree 100%. Most disgusting display I have even seen. Irish_Dem Nov 26 #136

Yes, we are LR3 Nov 25 #75

You are right, I should've said foreign enemy, which is what we usually think of as an enemy Walleye Nov 25 #86

Maybe Hegseth is dumb enough... HariSeldon Nov 25 #47

Wouldn't surprise me in the least that Hegseth thinks he is talking to an O-3 (Army captain). Irish_Dem Nov 25 #58

I was a captain in the AF nurse corps while stationed in Japan. 3catwoman3 Nov 25 #66

Thanks! Irish_Dem Nov 25 #69

We used take the train to Yokosuka from time to time to shop, as their base exchange store... 3catwoman3 Nov 25 #71

The Navy BXs were a sore point with Air Force kids. Irish_Dem Nov 25 #74

"Did they think that even when they saw you in uniform?" 3catwoman3 Nov 25 #78

Interesting. Irish_Dem Nov 25 #80

C'mon, Kegsbreath was an Army Reserve Trainer, he's probably not used to Navy haele Nov 25 #116

He is a true idiot. Irish_Dem Nov 26 #134

"Kegsbreath." Stealing that. kairos12 Nov 25 #14

I stole it, too! demmiblue Nov 25 #15

me three. AllaN01Bear Nov 25 #23

Hey, petey, why the quotation marks? Sen. Kelly ACTUALLY was a captain. niyad Nov 25 #21

I can smell the alcohol on his breath from here. nt Javaman Nov 25 #22

Hegseth recently quit AA and joined AAA. Pete figured they could tow his car home from the bar. sop Nov 25 #30

😂 nt Javaman Nov 25 #37

Hahaha Joinfortmill Nov 25 #95

Wow. progressoid Nov 25 #25

This is why everybody roots for Navy at the football games. SSJVegeta Nov 25 #27

Kegsbreath doesn't know shit maxrandb Nov 25 #28

for a minute i thought you were talking about me rampartd Nov 25 #36

Foul POS wolfie001 Nov 25 #33

Drunk posting again. Embarrassing. Clouds Passing Nov 25 #34

And right there is proof of why stupid people shouldn't drink and post shit they know nothing about. MarineCombatEngineer Nov 25 #38

Have any troops refused to obey orders? It's not sedition if nothing happened. Walleye Nov 25 #40

Fascists strike back when their authority and illegal actions are challenged. Martin Eden Nov 25 #41

Kegsbreath was who they were thinking of Dyedinthewoolliberal Nov 25 #43

He should find a skateboard to play with Randomthought Nov 25 #46

And ride it without a helmet. 3catwoman3 Nov 25 #68

I would rather share a foxhole with Mark Kelly Mr. Ected Nov 25 #52

So that "man", Hegseth, "leader" of the "DOW" decided to use quotation marks democrank Nov 25 #54

As a veteran and retired Navy Officer, I am stunned by how fucked-up this is maxrandb Nov 25 #55

Hegseth is an ignorant dick. He put Captain in quotation marks like he is pulling some kind of rank on Kelly. flashman13 Nov 25 #63

Mark Kelly is worth over a hundred Hegseth. Dave Bowman Nov 25 #64

Let me fix Kegsbreath statement:" ... hiccup daaaaa hrrrumph!" BootinUp Nov 25 #67

He reminds me of Rcanouse Nov 25 #70

That is an excellent comparison. MarineCombatEngineer Nov 25 #72

If/when Dems are in charge again LR3 Nov 25 #73

I don't know if these are his actual medals dweller Nov 25 #76

Whoa! He's deep into that whiskey bottle. travelingthrulife Nov 25 #77

Let's all sing a tune for Pete! struggle4progress Nov 25 #81

Hegseth should be required to take a breathalyzer test before he is allowed to make any public statement Blumancru Nov 25 #82

Kegsbreath, how about your Signal chat disclosing highly classified info?? gohuskies Nov 25 #85

Hegseth is a goddamn bum Joinfortmill Nov 25 #91

He's a lazy and shameless LIAR MorbidButterflyTat Nov 25 #96

Happy to give this the 100th rec. Fuck Kegbreath. GoodRaisin Nov 25 #97

At least hegseth didnt say "warrior ethos" BlueWaveNeverEnd Nov 25 #99

It takes a "Major Asshole" to put an honorable officer's rank in quotation marks. Harker Nov 25 #101

.... MarineCombatEngineer Nov 25 #108

I'll have to give that one a shot. Harker Nov 25 #109

Generals, admirals, and other high-ranking officers must feel let down to toe the line to this drunken minor major. Norrrm Nov 25 #102

Does he still have to take his wife along to hold his hand at meetings because he's not safe to be let out on his own? Emrys Nov 25 #107

I bet Senator Kelly would rather Mblaze Nov 25 #117

What a complete fucking asshole this piece of shit is. hadEnuf Nov 25 #123

Does the law allow the Senate to remove these assholes like Hegseth? mdbl Nov 25 #124

Yes, there is a way Bob_in_VA Nov 25 #126

I fear this is next to go Coldwater Nov 25 #127

Weekend FIX host, Whiskey Pete Kegbreath Hassler Nov 26 #128

Anyone who served in the military wears their medal correctly LogDog75 Nov 26 #129

Mark flew the Space Shuttle and served with distinction DFW Nov 26 #137

This stunt is not going to work LetMyPeopleVote Nov 26 #140

WHO's willing to tell Trump that nobody is 'above' the law? LetMyPeopleVote Tuesday #143

It's insane that a guy who has a Nazi tattoo and his lips permanently superglued to Trump's ass... Initech Tuesday #144

Is the SoD really spending a millisecond of time on someone's medal order display?!??!! We're cooked!! uponit7771 Tuesday #147