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In reply to the discussion: What would the world look like if the NAZIs had won World War II? [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)78. The late Sen. Frank Church (D-Idaho) expressed very similar thoughts...
...back in the late 1970s, the last time there was any serious public investigation by Congress of the National Security State.

Senators Frank Church (D-Idaho) and John Tower (D-Texas) examine a weapon developed for a CIA assassination program.
Frank Church and the Abyss of Warrantless Wiretapping
John Nichols
The Nation
BLOG | Posted 04/26/2006 @ 12:00am
Thirty years ago, on April 26, 1976, the United States Senate Select Committee to Study Governmental Operations with Respect to Intelligence Activities, delivered its final report detailing the lawlessness of U.S. intelligence agencies and the need for Congress to reassert the Constitutional system of checks and balances to order to rein in the cloak-and-dagger excesses of the executive branch of the federal government.
The committee, mercifully referred to by the last name of its chair, U.S. Senator Frank Church, D-Idaho, produced fourteen reports on the formation of U.S. intelligence agencies, the manner in which they had and were continuing to operate, and the abuses of law and of power -- up to and including murder -- committed by these agencies in Chile, the Congo, Cuba, Vietnam and other nations that experienced the attention of U.S. authorities in the Cold War era.
The committee also made 96 recommendations for how to do that. Some of those recommendations, such as the committee's call for creation of a permanent Senate Select Committee on Intelligence and for a ban on assassinations of foreign leaders, were implemented. But, as the current controversy over President Bush's warrantless wiretapping program illustrates, the potential abuses about which the Church Committee warned were not entirely -- nor even adequately -- thwarted.
It was not for lack of trying by Senator Church, one of the most courageous legislators in American history, and his colleagues on the committee. As Senator Church said when the committee completed its work: "The United States must not adopt the tactics of the enemy. Means are important, as ends. Crisis makes it tempting to ignore the wise restraints that make men free. But each time we do so, each time the means we use are wrong, our inner strength, the strength which makes us free, is lessened."
SNIP...
Three decades after the Church Committee submitted its final report, President Bush admits to ordering the NSA to spy on the telephone conversations of Americans on American soil without obtaining warrants.
Most of Congress stands idly by.
CONTINUED...
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/thebeat?pid=79968

Here's a most prescient quotation of the late Sen. Church, on the subject of using America's spying technology on the American people -- specifically outlawed in the legislation that established the CIA:
That capability at any time could be turned around on the American people and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything: telephone conversations, telegrams, it doesnt matter. There would be no place to hide. If this government ever became a tyranny, if a dictator ever took charge in this country, the technological capacity that the intelligence community has given the government could enable it to impose total tyranny, and there would be no way to fight back, because the most careful effort to combine together in resistance to the government, no matter how privately it was done, is within the reach of the government to know. Such is the capability of this technology.
I dont want to see this country ever go across the bridge. I know the capability that is there to make tyranny total in America, and we must see it that this agency and all agencies that possess this technology operate within the law and under proper supervision, so that we never cross over that abyss. That is the abyss from which there is no return.

An "abyss." It must be an open secret, for it is plain -- for those who bother to look and see -- that an abyss is precisely where our nation has fallen.
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Yes, and now we have Homeland Security and we're headed toward implanted ID chips
Fumesucker
Jan 2013
#70
The OP minimized nothing. He assumed everyone with even a rudimentary education....
OldDem2012
Jan 2013
#83
Hmmm. What did Octafish post that was not the truth? In all the years I've been reading....
OldDem2012
Jan 2013
#84
Historically speaking, Hitler could've conceivably won if the Business Plot succeeded against FDR.
Selatius
Jan 2013
#32
It can't Happen Here by Sinclair Lewis was a great book about Nazis taking over the US.
libinnyandia
Jan 2013
#33
I'm stunned by how few think of what could have happened if Japan had won the war
davidpdx
Jan 2013
#37
The reason there chances were dismal was because FDR went all in right after the bombing of PH
davidpdx
Jan 2013
#136
That is a fascinating question and a good reminder: USA forgave the Japanese War Criminals, too.
Octafish
Jan 2013
#134
Thanks to banking, there are no borders for individuals and organizations with means.
Octafish
Jan 2013
#121
Where's the part about exteriminating Jews and murdering 12 million people?
michigandem58
Jan 2013
#40
If the Nazis had gone through with Generalplan Ost, the Holocaust would be an addendum.
dairydog91
Jan 2013
#64
I wonder whether there would be an Internet with countless political discussion forums
Nye Bevan
Jan 2013
#51
Frightening when you really think about it. There is only one on your list....
OldDem2012
Jan 2013
#54
I've made it a personal habit to always look for your "know your BFEE" posts....
OldDem2012
Jan 2013
#101
Didn't Newt Greengooch write a series of "alternate history" novels where the nazzies won?
Erose999
Jan 2013
#67
imported comment from another thread about Republicans perfectly describes what would happen...
No Compromise
Jan 2013
#77
What would Nazis do to our food supply?What kind of designer drugs would they sick on the population
No Compromise
Jan 2013
#81
I used to think that, too. Then I read 'Friendly Fascism' by Bertram Gross...
Octafish
Jan 2013
#124
We write what we want to, we say what we want to, we see what we want to.
LanternWaste
Jan 2013
#135