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In reply to the discussion: What would the world look like if the NAZIs had won World War II? [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)79. General Reinhard Gehlen rose to become head of West German (NATO) intel...
...which we see today has had a problem in overlooking the continuing influence of Nazis in German political life.
Germany's neo-Nazi investigation exposes institutional racism
Despite talk of integration, the racist assumptions that hindered the hunt for a murderous gang are reflected in German institutions
Ben Knight
guardian.co.uk, Tuesday 13 November 2012
The last alleged member of the German neo-Nazi gang that murdered nine immigrants has been charged, a year after her arrest uncovered a decade-long terrorist campaign but the case has also uncovered some uncomfortable truths about racism in Germany's institutions. Last week, German state prosecutors chose the first anniversary of Beate Zschäpe's arrest to reveal the charges they would be levelling against her. Because she is alleged to be the only surviving member of the murderous trio that called itself the National Socialist Underground, the prosecutors took a calculated risk and charged Zschäpe with complicity in all the group's known crimes: 10 murders, two nail bombings and 15 bank robberies.
The judiciously timed announcement ended the first chapter of one of the most momentous criminal investigations in unified Germany, and next spring's trial could potentially uncover the true extent of Germany's underground neo-Nazi network. Even if it doesn't, the court case will hopefully give new urgency to the obstructed parliamentary investigations into the authorities' failure to stop the NSU.
Since last November, four separate committees (one federal, three regional) have drip-fed the country with revelations of incompetence or criminal collusion in every security body from the federal and state police forces to sundry intelligence agencies. Four secret service chiefs have lost their jobs.
Above all, the investigation has revealed how racist assumptions hindered detective work. We learned, for instance, that the police were so convinced that only the Turkish mafia would murder Turkish Germans that officers set up fake kebab shops and sent undercover investigators among the families of the victims.
While those infiltrating detectives found that the Turkish community suspected far-right extremists to be behind the killings, their suspicions were ignored. Meanwhile, numerous paid neo-Nazi informants some of whom had contact with and supplied weapons to the real killers, the NSU wilfully kept the authorities in the dark.
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/nov/13/germany-neo-nazi-investigation-institutional-racism
An excellent resource from the National Security Archives of George Washington University:
The CIA and Nazi War Criminals
My two cents on the BFEE turd Gehlen.
Most importantly: Thank you, Javaman, for caring about what is going on and standing against them.
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Yes, and now we have Homeland Security and we're headed toward implanted ID chips
Fumesucker
Jan 2013
#70
The OP minimized nothing. He assumed everyone with even a rudimentary education....
OldDem2012
Jan 2013
#83
Hmmm. What did Octafish post that was not the truth? In all the years I've been reading....
OldDem2012
Jan 2013
#84
Historically speaking, Hitler could've conceivably won if the Business Plot succeeded against FDR.
Selatius
Jan 2013
#32
It can't Happen Here by Sinclair Lewis was a great book about Nazis taking over the US.
libinnyandia
Jan 2013
#33
I'm stunned by how few think of what could have happened if Japan had won the war
davidpdx
Jan 2013
#37
The reason there chances were dismal was because FDR went all in right after the bombing of PH
davidpdx
Jan 2013
#136
That is a fascinating question and a good reminder: USA forgave the Japanese War Criminals, too.
Octafish
Jan 2013
#134
Thanks to banking, there are no borders for individuals and organizations with means.
Octafish
Jan 2013
#121
Where's the part about exteriminating Jews and murdering 12 million people?
michigandem58
Jan 2013
#40
If the Nazis had gone through with Generalplan Ost, the Holocaust would be an addendum.
dairydog91
Jan 2013
#64
I wonder whether there would be an Internet with countless political discussion forums
Nye Bevan
Jan 2013
#51
Frightening when you really think about it. There is only one on your list....
OldDem2012
Jan 2013
#54
I've made it a personal habit to always look for your "know your BFEE" posts....
OldDem2012
Jan 2013
#101
Didn't Newt Greengooch write a series of "alternate history" novels where the nazzies won?
Erose999
Jan 2013
#67
imported comment from another thread about Republicans perfectly describes what would happen...
No Compromise
Jan 2013
#77
What would Nazis do to our food supply?What kind of designer drugs would they sick on the population
No Compromise
Jan 2013
#81
I used to think that, too. Then I read 'Friendly Fascism' by Bertram Gross...
Octafish
Jan 2013
#124
We write what we want to, we say what we want to, we see what we want to.
LanternWaste
Jan 2013
#135