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Octafish

(55,745 posts)
90. I tell good folk it's like the Library of Alexandria on your desktop.
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 02:03 PM
Jan 2013

Or, thanks to smart phone technology, in your shirt pocket.

The trick is using the GOOGLE search terms -- and that's where it's important to, eh, phrase things properly.

Speaking of RAM:



The CIA's History Problem is Our History Problem

By David Wallace
Fri Jun 16, 9:22 PM ET

The author David Lowenthal once noted that the "past is a foreign country." The past might be better described as being more like a moving target - always in transition and susceptible (and vulnerable) to becoming unrecognizable to what we once believed. And more often than not new revelations are disorientating and troubling.

SNIP…

Such is the case with recent news accounts in the Washington Post and the New York Times that in the late 1950s the CIA knew that Adolf Eichmann was living in Argentina and had a pretty close pseudonym for him (Clemens instead of the actual alias of Klement), but did nothing to bring him to justice. That the CIA sought the cooperation and protection of Nazis, even those guilty of war crimes, after World War Two to serve its Cold War struggles is not news. But the extent of these relationships and the depths the CIA went through to protect them is news. These disclosures have been made possible through the ongoing efforts of the Nazi War Crimes and Japanese Imperial Government Records Interagency Working Group (IWG), launched over eight years ago by the Nazi War Crimes Disclosure Act (Public Law 105-246). The key that unlocked this unsavory history has been the unparalleled access granted to the IWG into formerly secret government records and archives.

Concern over these disclosures extend beyond the sad facts surfaced by the IWG: such as official protection of Nazis residing in the United States and the CIA's post-war use of top Eichmann aides. They also include the entirely unconscionable fact that it has taken generations for the CIA to disclose this information, and only did so after a special act of Congress supplemented by years long battles to protect them from public knowledge. IWG member Thomas H. Baer pointed to such battles when he thanked the CIA for finally coming clean this past week. However, coming clean occurred only after "reversal of policy of thinly veiled noncompliance" with the IWG's legal mandate and the ongoing efforts of members of Congress and (some) IWG members and staff in making an "ironclad case decrying CIAs misinterpretation of its obligations."

Why has the CIA taken so long to open such records and archives? And do the excuses proffered around protecting national security really hold any credible value? I think the answer to the second question must be no, of course not. As to the first question, that is a trickier one, but one must look beyond the legal loopholes that protect secret information for such inordinate periods and look to see what agendas are at play. Clearly one agenda is to provide a simplistic and comforting (and at times woefully inaccurate) past as a means of enabling an ignorant, but strongly held, patriotism as a form of social glue that (kind of) holds society together. But a simplistic and comforting and inaccurate past can only be realized through the unreasonable, though legal, controls granted to the CIA over its historical records and archives. And it is in these seemingly rationally derived controls that the past itself can be held hostage.

CONTINUED w/links...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-wallace/the-cias-history-problem-_b_23206.html



Most importantly: Thank you, hay rick, for knowing what's what and standing up to oppose the evil. Readers are Leaders.

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... mindwalker_i Jan 2013 #1
Know your BFEE: Like a NAZI Octafish Jan 2013 #16
Full Godwin in one Fumesucker Jan 2013 #2
Bwah! Recursion Jan 2013 #19
You beat me to it. UnrepentantLiberal Jan 2013 #21
The rarely attempted double full Godwin Fumesucker Jan 2013 #22
. UnrepentantLiberal Jan 2013 #25
Even the Russian judge gave him a 10! Bucky Jan 2013 #42
It rings a bell. UnrepentantLiberal Jan 2013 #44
No, it was just a standard joke in the Cold War years of my youth Bucky Jan 2013 #47
It was East German judges, too... awoke_in_2003 Jan 2013 #113
I'm a whipper-snapper and I remember those. Heywood J Jan 2013 #57
Hey, I'm still pissed about that Korean boxing match NBachers Jan 2013 #110
He musta been triple dog-dared to do it! MADem Jan 2013 #126
Olympic was the service rendered by the United States... Octafish Jan 2013 #68
Yes, and now we have Homeland Security and we're headed toward implanted ID chips Fumesucker Jan 2013 #70
Personally, I don't see the humor. Octafish Jan 2013 #75
Hey, Octafish... I agree with you. bvar22 Jan 2013 #102
Operation Paperclip... Javaman Jan 2013 #71
General Reinhard Gehlen rose to become head of West German (NATO) intel... Octafish Jan 2013 #79
I really do not understand the "Godwin Law" Hugabear Jan 2013 #132
There's more than one accepted meaning of Godwin's law. Fumesucker Jan 2013 #133
The butterflies would be different. nt. hay rick Jan 2013 #3
... cyberswede Jan 2013 #6
Bradbury probably wouldn't have been allowed to be a writer. Kablooie Jan 2013 #10
I saw what you did there...... cliffordu Jan 2013 #23
Tyme Travell Ink Octafish Jan 2013 #72
For many people, the internet is that library. hay rick Jan 2013 #86
I tell good folk it's like the Library of Alexandria on your desktop. Octafish Jan 2013 #90
And sadly... awoke_in_2003 Jan 2013 #114
nicely done No Compromise Jan 2013 #4
+1 gateley Jan 2013 #76
The late Sen. Frank Church (D-Idaho) expressed very similar thoughts... Octafish Jan 2013 #78
I remember Church very well. dixiegrrrrl Jan 2013 #87
The super rich got smart... awoke_in_2003 Jan 2013 #115
Volfenschtein! SirChanceAlot Jan 2013 #5
''Money trumps peace.'' Octafish Jan 2013 #85
they did n/t librechik Jan 2013 #7
Looks that way to me, too, librechik. To Brennan, too. Octafish Jan 2013 #92
thanks Octafish! librechik Jan 2013 #139
And we never would have seen Hogan's heroes. Kablooie Jan 2013 #8
Or, Kelly's Heroes! longship Jan 2013 #18
Change The Oligarchs Can Believe In... WillyT Jan 2013 #9
Modern Times do share that particular peculiarity with NAZI Days. Octafish Jan 2013 #95
Snappier uniforms RudynJack Jan 2013 #11
kick samsingh Jan 2013 #12
Hope Gov. Don Siegelman reads this. Octafish Jan 2013 #99
he needs to be pardoned samsingh Jan 2013 #100
Octofish, have you read The Man in the High Castle Starry Messenger Jan 2013 #13
Yeah, I was going to say someone already wrote that book....nt eilen Jan 2013 #17
One of most BRILLIANT, most amazing alternate history books ever written... Moonwalk Jan 2013 #20
Right, the Nazis are alluded to in the story. Starry Messenger Jan 2013 #59
Plot Against America - Phillip Roth Old and In the Way Jan 2013 #127
You might also want to check out "Fatherland".. Javaman Jan 2013 #73
I have the paperback version. amandabeech Jan 2013 #120
Thank you for the heads-up, Starry Messenger! Have you read ''We''? Octafish Jan 2013 #118
+1, Star. Mc Mike Jan 2013 #122
Just served as Juror on alert of OP RobertEarl Jan 2013 #14
Why would someone alert on this? leftstreet Jan 2013 #24
Here's where the results from all the jurors can be found: AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #27
Interesting Oilwellian Jan 2013 #28
Great point (n/t) a2liberal Jan 2013 #30
Apparently some "Nazis" think it's impolite to point. Kurovski Jan 2013 #105
The 5-4 decision is a pretty obvious reference Chathamization Jan 2013 #129
Octafish a troll??? Blue_In_AK Jan 2013 #34
That's what I immediately thought. AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #60
A touch of unintended irony. allrevvedup Jan 2013 #38
Brennan? truebluegreen Jan 2013 #45
Could be worse. allrevvedup Jan 2013 #46
It's anti-Semetic and should be locked michigandem58 Jan 2013 #41
The OP minimized nothing. He assumed everyone with even a rudimentary education.... OldDem2012 Jan 2013 #83
While it does not rate an alert, it is not "the truth" treestar Jan 2013 #66
Hmmm. What did Octafish post that was not the truth? In all the years I've been reading.... OldDem2012 Jan 2013 #84
Another reason why alerter's should not remain anonymous. Old and In the Way Jan 2013 #128
Agreed RobertEarl Jan 2013 #130
Death, death and more death. Rex Jan 2013 #15
What would fix that? Octafish Jan 2013 #98
The sick thing is who would be bankrolling the Nazi party after the war. Rex Jan 2013 #103
Feels like home. raouldukelives Jan 2013 #26
Sacha Baron Cohen just went up in my book. Octafish Jan 2013 #119
Likely, the Russians would have kicked his ass out eventually anyway. redgreenandblue Jan 2013 #29
It's easy to assume Russia would have ended up winning davidpdx Jan 2013 #36
Oy. I guess somebody's been watching Oliver Stone's revisionist silliness. Bucky Jan 2013 #43
Yup, I did watch that. redgreenandblue Jan 2013 #49
This reminds me of a scene from the recent movie "The Dictator" Initech Jan 2013 #31
Historically speaking, Hitler could've conceivably won if the Business Plot succeeded against FDR. Selatius Jan 2013 #32
you forget the Einstein letter.. napoleon_in_rags Jan 2013 #58
The fascist coup against FDR should be in ALL U.S. history textbooks... Octafish Jan 2013 #125
It can't Happen Here by Sinclair Lewis was a great book about Nazis taking over the US. libinnyandia Jan 2013 #33
uh, no that's certainly not what it's about cali Jan 2013 #35
Thank you for the heads-up, libinnyandia! Octafish Jan 2013 #131
I'm stunned by how few think of what could have happened if Japan had won the war davidpdx Jan 2013 #37
I am also stunned Shankapotomus Jan 2013 #48
I didn't know about the Aleutian Islands davidpdx Jan 2013 #52
Except Japan didn't have a fart's chance in a whirlwind after Pearl Harbor. dairydog91 Jan 2013 #61
The reason there chances were dismal was because FDR went all in right after the bombing of PH davidpdx Jan 2013 #136
That is a fascinating question and a good reminder: USA forgave the Japanese War Criminals, too. Octafish Jan 2013 #134
In a way they did win thanks to people like stultusporcos Jan 2013 #39
Thanks to banking, there are no borders for individuals and organizations with means. Octafish Jan 2013 #121
Where's the part about exteriminating Jews and murdering 12 million people? michigandem58 Jan 2013 #40
If the Nazis had gone through with Generalplan Ost, the Holocaust would be an addendum. dairydog91 Jan 2013 #64
Read the book "The Fourth Reich" by Jim Marrs Casandia Jan 2013 #50
I wonder whether there would be an Internet with countless political discussion forums Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #51
Thank you, Octafish! Everytime you pull out "Know your BFEE" I smile.... Raster Jan 2013 #53
Frightening when you really think about it. There is only one on your list.... OldDem2012 Jan 2013 #54
Even that line has been crossed. Octafish Jan 2013 #96
I've made it a personal habit to always look for your "know your BFEE" posts.... OldDem2012 Jan 2013 #101
Thank you, OldDem2012. Octafish Jan 2013 #138
South Carolina blm Jan 2013 #55
No Stephen Colbert! Kurovski Jan 2013 #106
Now is the time on Nazi earth when we dance! Adenoid_Hynkel Jan 2013 #56
Here you go Capt. Obvious Jan 2013 #62
Yup. Europe would be a significantly different place...nt SidDithers Jan 2013 #63
Very poor analogy treestar Jan 2013 #65
Didn't Newt Greengooch write a series of "alternate history" novels where the nazzies won? Erose999 Jan 2013 #67
No, he and a co-author wrote 1 book. MicaelS Jan 2013 #89
Philip K Dick wrote a great book on that.. ananda Jan 2013 #69
"SS-GB" By Len Deighton. Paladin Jan 2013 #74
I posted the map above Capt. Obvious Jan 2013 #117
imported comment from another thread about Republicans perfectly describes what would happen... No Compromise Jan 2013 #77
Nazis are bad! zappaman Jan 2013 #80
What would Nazis do to our food supply?What kind of designer drugs would they sick on the population No Compromise Jan 2013 #81
Old Tom Jefferson rolling in his grave, rolling in his grave, KurtNYC Jan 2013 #82
People wouldn't be screaming for more gun control regjoe Jan 2013 #88
Wow... The United States is just like Nazi Germany... Ohio Joe Jan 2013 #91
+1 for being right! n/t zappaman Jan 2013 #93
We would all have good Sauerkraut and not that shit in a jar snooper2 Jan 2013 #94
Kicking! n/t Hotler Jan 2013 #97
Just as I thought. Kurovski Jan 2013 #104
K&R. nt OnyxCollie Jan 2013 #107
Comparing the United States to Nazi Germany in anyway... iandhr Jan 2013 #108
Where do you think the NAZIs got their ideas? Octafish Jan 2013 #116
Like this: Gore1FL Jan 2013 #109
You are exactly correct. n/t truth2power Jan 2013 #111
I seem to recall a book entitled... awoke_in_2003 Jan 2013 #112
I'd imagine that if Germany had indeed won the war, LanternWaste Jan 2013 #123
I used to think that, too. Then I read 'Friendly Fascism' by Bertram Gross... Octafish Jan 2013 #124
We write what we want to, we say what we want to, we see what we want to. LanternWaste Jan 2013 #135
I appreciate that, LanternWaste. My main concern is Secret Government and its continuation... Octafish Jan 2013 #137
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