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In reply to the discussion: What would the world look like if the NAZIs had won World War II? [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)90. I tell good folk it's like the Library of Alexandria on your desktop.
Or, thanks to smart phone technology, in your shirt pocket.
The trick is using the GOOGLE search terms -- and that's where it's important to, eh, phrase things properly.
Speaking of RAM:
The CIA's History Problem is Our History Problem
By David Wallace
Fri Jun 16, 9:22 PM ET
The author David Lowenthal once noted that the "past is a foreign country." The past might be better described as being more like a moving target - always in transition and susceptible (and vulnerable) to becoming unrecognizable to what we once believed. And more often than not new revelations are disorientating and troubling.
SNIP
Such is the case with recent news accounts in the Washington Post and the New York Times that in the late 1950s the CIA knew that Adolf Eichmann was living in Argentina and had a pretty close pseudonym for him (Clemens instead of the actual alias of Klement), but did nothing to bring him to justice. That the CIA sought the cooperation and protection of Nazis, even those guilty of war crimes, after World War Two to serve its Cold War struggles is not news. But the extent of these relationships and the depths the CIA went through to protect them is news. These disclosures have been made possible through the ongoing efforts of the Nazi War Crimes and Japanese Imperial Government Records Interagency Working Group (IWG), launched over eight years ago by the Nazi War Crimes Disclosure Act (Public Law 105-246). The key that unlocked this unsavory history has been the unparalleled access granted to the IWG into formerly secret government records and archives.
Concern over these disclosures extend beyond the sad facts surfaced by the IWG: such as official protection of Nazis residing in the United States and the CIA's post-war use of top Eichmann aides. They also include the entirely unconscionable fact that it has taken generations for the CIA to disclose this information, and only did so after a special act of Congress supplemented by years long battles to protect them from public knowledge. IWG member Thomas H. Baer pointed to such battles when he thanked the CIA for finally coming clean this past week. However, coming clean occurred only after "reversal of policy of thinly veiled noncompliance" with the IWG's legal mandate and the ongoing efforts of members of Congress and (some) IWG members and staff in making an "ironclad case decrying CIAs misinterpretation of its obligations."
Why has the CIA taken so long to open such records and archives? And do the excuses proffered around protecting national security really hold any credible value? I think the answer to the second question must be no, of course not. As to the first question, that is a trickier one, but one must look beyond the legal loopholes that protect secret information for such inordinate periods and look to see what agendas are at play. Clearly one agenda is to provide a simplistic and comforting (and at times woefully inaccurate) past as a means of enabling an ignorant, but strongly held, patriotism as a form of social glue that (kind of) holds society together. But a simplistic and comforting and inaccurate past can only be realized through the unreasonable, though legal, controls granted to the CIA over its historical records and archives. And it is in these seemingly rationally derived controls that the past itself can be held hostage.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-wallace/the-cias-history-problem-_b_23206.html
Most importantly: Thank you, hay rick, for knowing what's what and standing up to oppose the evil. Readers are Leaders.
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Yes, and now we have Homeland Security and we're headed toward implanted ID chips
Fumesucker
Jan 2013
#70
The OP minimized nothing. He assumed everyone with even a rudimentary education....
OldDem2012
Jan 2013
#83
Hmmm. What did Octafish post that was not the truth? In all the years I've been reading....
OldDem2012
Jan 2013
#84
Historically speaking, Hitler could've conceivably won if the Business Plot succeeded against FDR.
Selatius
Jan 2013
#32
It can't Happen Here by Sinclair Lewis was a great book about Nazis taking over the US.
libinnyandia
Jan 2013
#33
I'm stunned by how few think of what could have happened if Japan had won the war
davidpdx
Jan 2013
#37
The reason there chances were dismal was because FDR went all in right after the bombing of PH
davidpdx
Jan 2013
#136
That is a fascinating question and a good reminder: USA forgave the Japanese War Criminals, too.
Octafish
Jan 2013
#134
Thanks to banking, there are no borders for individuals and organizations with means.
Octafish
Jan 2013
#121
Where's the part about exteriminating Jews and murdering 12 million people?
michigandem58
Jan 2013
#40
If the Nazis had gone through with Generalplan Ost, the Holocaust would be an addendum.
dairydog91
Jan 2013
#64
I wonder whether there would be an Internet with countless political discussion forums
Nye Bevan
Jan 2013
#51
Frightening when you really think about it. There is only one on your list....
OldDem2012
Jan 2013
#54
I've made it a personal habit to always look for your "know your BFEE" posts....
OldDem2012
Jan 2013
#101
Didn't Newt Greengooch write a series of "alternate history" novels where the nazzies won?
Erose999
Jan 2013
#67
imported comment from another thread about Republicans perfectly describes what would happen...
No Compromise
Jan 2013
#77
What would Nazis do to our food supply?What kind of designer drugs would they sick on the population
No Compromise
Jan 2013
#81
I used to think that, too. Then I read 'Friendly Fascism' by Bertram Gross...
Octafish
Jan 2013
#124
We write what we want to, we say what we want to, we see what we want to.
LanternWaste
Jan 2013
#135