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Octafish

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118. Thank you for the heads-up, Starry Messenger! Have you read ''We''?

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 10:24 AM

Jan 2013

Science Fiction is my passion. Unfortunately, the times...

Regarding Mr. Dick's book: I look forward to an excellent read. The Japanese and German governments, I remember, had plans to divide up the world. Then, they'd turn on each other for final victory.

"We" by Eugene Zamiatin was published in 1924. The guy was one of the Russian Revolution's intellectual lights. He didn't like the way the democrats and Mensheviks got the ziggy, courtesy of Lenin and Stalin. Anyway, his novel predates 1984 and Brave New World. Every person in the world has a number -- It also discusses the military conquest of space. Absolutely amazing read. Here is one translation in PDF form:

http://mises.org/books/we_zamiatin.pdf

(Sorry about Mises, it's just a repository for this book.)

As Harry Harrison wrote in his dedication to Bill the Galactic Hero: "For my shipmate Brian W. Aldiss who is reading the sextant and plotting the course for us all."

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What would the world look like if the NAZIs had won World War II? [View all] Octafish Jan 2013 OP

... mindwalker_i Jan 2013 #1

Know your BFEE: Like a NAZI Octafish Jan 2013 #16

Full Godwin in one Fumesucker Jan 2013 #2

Bwah! Recursion Jan 2013 #19

You beat me to it. UnrepentantLiberal Jan 2013 #21

The rarely attempted double full Godwin Fumesucker Jan 2013 #22

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Even the Russian judge gave him a 10! Bucky Jan 2013 #42

It rings a bell. UnrepentantLiberal Jan 2013 #44

No, it was just a standard joke in the Cold War years of my youth Bucky Jan 2013 #47

It was East German judges, too... awoke_in_2003 Jan 2013 #113

I'm a whipper-snapper and I remember those. Heywood J Jan 2013 #57

Hey, I'm still pissed about that Korean boxing match NBachers Jan 2013 #110

He musta been triple dog-dared to do it! MADem Jan 2013 #126

Olympic was the service rendered by the United States... Octafish Jan 2013 #68

Yes, and now we have Homeland Security and we're headed toward implanted ID chips Fumesucker Jan 2013 #70

Personally, I don't see the humor. Octafish Jan 2013 #75

Hey, Octafish... I agree with you. bvar22 Jan 2013 #102

Operation Paperclip... Javaman Jan 2013 #71

General Reinhard Gehlen rose to become head of West German (NATO) intel... Octafish Jan 2013 #79

I really do not understand the "Godwin Law" Hugabear Jan 2013 #132

There's more than one accepted meaning of Godwin's law. Fumesucker Jan 2013 #133

The butterflies would be different. nt. hay rick Jan 2013 #3

... cyberswede Jan 2013 #6

Bradbury probably wouldn't have been allowed to be a writer. Kablooie Jan 2013 #10

I saw what you did there...... cliffordu Jan 2013 #23

Tyme Travell Ink Octafish Jan 2013 #72

For many people, the internet is that library. hay rick Jan 2013 #86

I tell good folk it's like the Library of Alexandria on your desktop. Octafish Jan 2013 #90

And sadly... awoke_in_2003 Jan 2013 #114

nicely done No Compromise Jan 2013 #4

+1 gateley Jan 2013 #76

The late Sen. Frank Church (D-Idaho) expressed very similar thoughts... Octafish Jan 2013 #78

I remember Church very well. dixiegrrrrl Jan 2013 #87

The super rich got smart... awoke_in_2003 Jan 2013 #115

Volfenschtein! SirChanceAlot Jan 2013 #5

''Money trumps peace.'' Octafish Jan 2013 #85

they did n/t librechik Jan 2013 #7

Looks that way to me, too, librechik. To Brennan, too. Octafish Jan 2013 #92

thanks Octafish! librechik Jan 2013 #139

And we never would have seen Hogan's heroes. Kablooie Jan 2013 #8

Or, Kelly's Heroes! longship Jan 2013 #18

Change The Oligarchs Can Believe In... WillyT Jan 2013 #9

Modern Times do share that particular peculiarity with NAZI Days. Octafish Jan 2013 #95

Snappier uniforms RudynJack Jan 2013 #11

kick samsingh Jan 2013 #12

Hope Gov. Don Siegelman reads this. Octafish Jan 2013 #99

he needs to be pardoned samsingh Jan 2013 #100

Octofish, have you read The Man in the High Castle Starry Messenger Jan 2013 #13

Yeah, I was going to say someone already wrote that book....nt eilen Jan 2013 #17

One of most BRILLIANT, most amazing alternate history books ever written... Moonwalk Jan 2013 #20

Right, the Nazis are alluded to in the story. Starry Messenger Jan 2013 #59

Plot Against America - Phillip Roth Old and In the Way Jan 2013 #127

You might also want to check out "Fatherland".. Javaman Jan 2013 #73

I have the paperback version. amandabeech Jan 2013 #120

Thank you for the heads-up, Starry Messenger! Have you read ''We''? Octafish Jan 2013 #118

+1, Star. Mc Mike Jan 2013 #122

Just served as Juror on alert of OP RobertEarl Jan 2013 #14

Why would someone alert on this? leftstreet Jan 2013 #24

Here's where the results from all the jurors can be found: AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #27

Interesting Oilwellian Jan 2013 #28

Great point (n/t) a2liberal Jan 2013 #30

Apparently some "Nazis" think it's impolite to point. Kurovski Jan 2013 #105

The 5-4 decision is a pretty obvious reference Chathamization Jan 2013 #129

Octafish a troll??? Blue_In_AK Jan 2013 #34

That's what I immediately thought. AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #60

A touch of unintended irony. allrevvedup Jan 2013 #38

Brennan? truebluegreen Jan 2013 #45

Could be worse. allrevvedup Jan 2013 #46

It's anti-Semetic and should be locked michigandem58 Jan 2013 #41

The OP minimized nothing. He assumed everyone with even a rudimentary education.... OldDem2012 Jan 2013 #83

While it does not rate an alert, it is not "the truth" treestar Jan 2013 #66

Hmmm. What did Octafish post that was not the truth? In all the years I've been reading.... OldDem2012 Jan 2013 #84

Another reason why alerter's should not remain anonymous. Old and In the Way Jan 2013 #128

Agreed RobertEarl Jan 2013 #130

Death, death and more death. Rex Jan 2013 #15

What would fix that? Octafish Jan 2013 #98

The sick thing is who would be bankrolling the Nazi party after the war. Rex Jan 2013 #103

Feels like home. raouldukelives Jan 2013 #26

Sacha Baron Cohen just went up in my book. Octafish Jan 2013 #119

Likely, the Russians would have kicked his ass out eventually anyway. redgreenandblue Jan 2013 #29

It's easy to assume Russia would have ended up winning davidpdx Jan 2013 #36

Oy. I guess somebody's been watching Oliver Stone's revisionist silliness. Bucky Jan 2013 #43

Yup, I did watch that. redgreenandblue Jan 2013 #49

This reminds me of a scene from the recent movie "The Dictator" Initech Jan 2013 #31

Historically speaking, Hitler could've conceivably won if the Business Plot succeeded against FDR. Selatius Jan 2013 #32

you forget the Einstein letter.. napoleon_in_rags Jan 2013 #58

The fascist coup against FDR should be in ALL U.S. history textbooks... Octafish Jan 2013 #125

It can't Happen Here by Sinclair Lewis was a great book about Nazis taking over the US. libinnyandia Jan 2013 #33

uh, no that's certainly not what it's about cali Jan 2013 #35

Thank you for the heads-up, libinnyandia! Octafish Jan 2013 #131

I'm stunned by how few think of what could have happened if Japan had won the war davidpdx Jan 2013 #37

I am also stunned Shankapotomus Jan 2013 #48

I didn't know about the Aleutian Islands davidpdx Jan 2013 #52

Except Japan didn't have a fart's chance in a whirlwind after Pearl Harbor. dairydog91 Jan 2013 #61

The reason there chances were dismal was because FDR went all in right after the bombing of PH davidpdx Jan 2013 #136

That is a fascinating question and a good reminder: USA forgave the Japanese War Criminals, too. Octafish Jan 2013 #134

In a way they did win thanks to people like stultusporcos Jan 2013 #39

Thanks to banking, there are no borders for individuals and organizations with means. Octafish Jan 2013 #121

Where's the part about exteriminating Jews and murdering 12 million people? michigandem58 Jan 2013 #40

If the Nazis had gone through with Generalplan Ost, the Holocaust would be an addendum. dairydog91 Jan 2013 #64

Read the book "The Fourth Reich" by Jim Marrs Casandia Jan 2013 #50

I wonder whether there would be an Internet with countless political discussion forums Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #51

Thank you, Octafish! Everytime you pull out "Know your BFEE" I smile.... Raster Jan 2013 #53

Frightening when you really think about it. There is only one on your list.... OldDem2012 Jan 2013 #54

Even that line has been crossed. Octafish Jan 2013 #96

I've made it a personal habit to always look for your "know your BFEE" posts.... OldDem2012 Jan 2013 #101

Thank you, OldDem2012. Octafish Jan 2013 #138

South Carolina blm Jan 2013 #55

No Stephen Colbert! Kurovski Jan 2013 #106

Now is the time on Nazi earth when we dance! Adenoid_Hynkel Jan 2013 #56

Here you go Capt. Obvious Jan 2013 #62

Yup. Europe would be a significantly different place...nt SidDithers Jan 2013 #63

Very poor analogy treestar Jan 2013 #65

Didn't Newt Greengooch write a series of "alternate history" novels where the nazzies won? Erose999 Jan 2013 #67

No, he and a co-author wrote 1 book. MicaelS Jan 2013 #89

Philip K Dick wrote a great book on that.. ananda Jan 2013 #69

"SS-GB" By Len Deighton. Paladin Jan 2013 #74

I posted the map above Capt. Obvious Jan 2013 #117

imported comment from another thread about Republicans perfectly describes what would happen... No Compromise Jan 2013 #77

Nazis are bad! zappaman Jan 2013 #80

What would Nazis do to our food supply?What kind of designer drugs would they sick on the population No Compromise Jan 2013 #81

Old Tom Jefferson rolling in his grave, rolling in his grave, KurtNYC Jan 2013 #82

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Wow... The United States is just like Nazi Germany... Ohio Joe Jan 2013 #91

+1 for being right! n/t zappaman Jan 2013 #93

We would all have good Sauerkraut and not that shit in a jar snooper2 Jan 2013 #94

Kicking! n/t Hotler Jan 2013 #97

Just as I thought. Kurovski Jan 2013 #104

K&R. nt OnyxCollie Jan 2013 #107

Comparing the United States to Nazi Germany in anyway... iandhr Jan 2013 #108

Where do you think the NAZIs got their ideas? Octafish Jan 2013 #116

Like this: Gore1FL Jan 2013 #109

You are exactly correct. n/t truth2power Jan 2013 #111

I seem to recall a book entitled... awoke_in_2003 Jan 2013 #112

I'd imagine that if Germany had indeed won the war, LanternWaste Jan 2013 #123

I used to think that, too. Then I read 'Friendly Fascism' by Bertram Gross... Octafish Jan 2013 #124

We write what we want to, we say what we want to, we see what we want to. LanternWaste Jan 2013 #135

I appreciate that, LanternWaste. My main concern is Secret Government and its continuation... Octafish Jan 2013 #137