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In reply to the discussion: What would the world look like if the NAZIs had won World War II? [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)124. I used to think that, too. Then I read 'Friendly Fascism' by Bertram Gross...
...on the recommendation of a college chum back in the early 1980s.
Friendly Fascism - The New Face of Power in America
by Bertram Gross
EXCERPT...
Friendly fascism portrays two conflicting trends in the United States and other countries of the so-called "free world."
The first is a slow and powerful drift toward greater concentration of power and wealth in a repressive Big Business-Big Government partnership. This drift leads down the road toward a new and subtly manipulative form of corporatist serfdom. The phrase "friendly fascism" helps distinguish this possible future from the patently vicious corporatism of classic fascism in the past of Germany, Italy and Japan. It also contrasts with the friendly present of the dependent fascisms propped up by the U.S. government in El Salvador, Haiti, Argentina, Chile, South Korea, the Philippines and elsewhere.
The other is a slower and less powerful tendency for individuals and groups to seek greater participation in decisions affecting themselves and others. This trend goes beyond mere reaction to authoritarianism. It transcends the activities of progressive groups or movements and their use of formal democratic machinery. It is nourished by establishment promises-too often rendered false-of more human rights, civil rights and civil liberties. It is embodied in larger values of community, sharing, cooperation, service to others and basic morality as contrasted with crass materialism and dog-eat-dog competition. It affects power relations in the household, workplace, community, school, church, synagogue, and even the labyrinths of private and public bureaucracies. It could lead toward a truer democracy-and for this reason is bitterly fought...
These contradictory trends are woven fine into the fabric of highly industrialized capitalism. The unfolding logic of friendly fascist corporatism is rooted in "capitalist society's transnational growth and the groping responses to mounting crises in a dwindling capitalist world". Mind management and sophisticated repression become more attractive to would-be oligarchs when too many people try to convert democratic promises into reality. On the other hand, the alternative logic of true democracy is rooted in "humankind's long history of resistance to unjustified privilege" and in spontaneous or organized "reaction (other than fright or apathy) to concentrated power...and inequality, injustice or coercion".
A few years ago too many people closed their eyes to the indicators of the first tendency.
But events soon began to change perceptions.
CONTINUED...
Thanks to the velvet fist of friendly fascism and its twin concentration of power and wealth, things for us today aren't that far off from a totalitarian state.
Dissent is allowed in order to provide a relief valve. Without it, limited as ours online and in real life is, pressure would build for revolutionary change.
Consider the Supreme Court's Citizens United ruling: Money and speech are intertwined, meaning the rich can be heard -- whether through ownership of mass media like Rupert Murdoch, or by purchasing air time, like the Swift Boat Liars in 2004.
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Yes, and now we have Homeland Security and we're headed toward implanted ID chips
Fumesucker
Jan 2013
#70
The OP minimized nothing. He assumed everyone with even a rudimentary education....
OldDem2012
Jan 2013
#83
Hmmm. What did Octafish post that was not the truth? In all the years I've been reading....
OldDem2012
Jan 2013
#84
Historically speaking, Hitler could've conceivably won if the Business Plot succeeded against FDR.
Selatius
Jan 2013
#32
It can't Happen Here by Sinclair Lewis was a great book about Nazis taking over the US.
libinnyandia
Jan 2013
#33
I'm stunned by how few think of what could have happened if Japan had won the war
davidpdx
Jan 2013
#37
The reason there chances were dismal was because FDR went all in right after the bombing of PH
davidpdx
Jan 2013
#136
That is a fascinating question and a good reminder: USA forgave the Japanese War Criminals, too.
Octafish
Jan 2013
#134
Thanks to banking, there are no borders for individuals and organizations with means.
Octafish
Jan 2013
#121
Where's the part about exteriminating Jews and murdering 12 million people?
michigandem58
Jan 2013
#40
If the Nazis had gone through with Generalplan Ost, the Holocaust would be an addendum.
dairydog91
Jan 2013
#64
I wonder whether there would be an Internet with countless political discussion forums
Nye Bevan
Jan 2013
#51
Frightening when you really think about it. There is only one on your list....
OldDem2012
Jan 2013
#54
I've made it a personal habit to always look for your "know your BFEE" posts....
OldDem2012
Jan 2013
#101
Didn't Newt Greengooch write a series of "alternate history" novels where the nazzies won?
Erose999
Jan 2013
#67
imported comment from another thread about Republicans perfectly describes what would happen...
No Compromise
Jan 2013
#77
What would Nazis do to our food supply?What kind of designer drugs would they sick on the population
No Compromise
Jan 2013
#81
I used to think that, too. Then I read 'Friendly Fascism' by Bertram Gross...
Octafish
Jan 2013
#124
We write what we want to, we say what we want to, we see what we want to.
LanternWaste
Jan 2013
#135