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In reply to the discussion: What would the world look like if the NAZIs had won World War II? [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)134. That is a fascinating question and a good reminder: USA forgave the Japanese War Criminals, too.
In the name of military science, we forgave the big shots...
The Pentagon and the Japanese Mengele
The Abominable Dr. Ishii
By CHRISTOPHER REED
Counterpunch Weekend Edition May 27-29, 2006
Editors' note: Under the overall codename Project Paperclip US intelligence agencies made similarly diligent efforts to acquire the research records of Nazi doctors working in the death camps. They also brought over several of the Nazi medical experimenters and set them to work in US military research centers such as Ft. Detrick. The Nazi research was quickly put into play in the field. In 1950, the CIA's Office of Security, headed at the time by Sheffield Edwards, opened a project called Bluebird whose object was to get an individual "to do our bidding against his will and even against such fundamental laws of nature as self-preservation." The first Bluebird operations were conducted in Japan in October 1950 and were reportedly witnessed by Richard Helms, who would later run the Agency. Twenty-five North Korean POWs were given alternating doses of depressants and stimulants. The POWs were shot up with barbitutes, putting them to sleep, then abruptly awoken with injections of amphetamines, put under hypnosis, then interrogated. The operation was, of course, in total contravention of international protocols. The Bluebird interrogations continued through the duration of the Korean War. This history is laid out in detail in our book Whiteout: the CIA, Drugs and the Press, Verso, available from our office. AC/JSC.
Everyone has heard of Auschwitz, but what about Pingfan? This Japanese germ warfare headquarters and laboratory in Manchuria, northern China, did not hold as many victims, but atrocities committed there were physically worse than in the Nazi concentration camp, and lasted much longer.
Many people know of Dr. Josef Mengele, the Nazi SS "Angel of Death" and a physician (though not chief medical officer) at Auschwitz from 1943-45. There, he deliberately infected prisoners with deadly diseases and conducted fatal surgeries, often without anesthetic. He escaped and lived in South America undiscovered until after his death at 68 in 1979 in Brazil.
But who has heard of Dr. Shiro Ishii? He was the chief of Japan's well financed, scientifically coordinated and government approved biological warfare program from 1932-45. Ishii rose to general and supervised deliberate infection of thousands of captives with deadly diseases. He also conducted grotesque surgeries, but the unique medical specialty of Ishii and his surgical team were dissections, without anesthetic, on an estimated 3,000 live, conscious humans. In 1959, Ishii, a wealthy man, died peacefully at home in Japan at the age of 67.
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General Willoughby and officials of MacArthur's Supreme Command for the Allied Powers in Tokyo had succeeded in suppressing evidence from Ishii and colleagues, but separate inquiries were made by the International Prosecution Section (IPS). Its lawyers gathered evidence including detailed statements from defecting Japanese bio-scientists from Pingfan. The latter testified to human live vivisection, the dumping of lethal germs in Chinese water supplies and food stores, as well as aerial spraying. Yet all was silenced even though the information went to the top.
IPS documents stamped "to be read by the Commander-in-Chief U.S. forces" were sent to President Harry Truman in 1947. No word has ever emerged on what Truman thought or said about this evidence. It is one of many still unknown facts about the Japanese-American conspiracy to conceal the complete account of the Japanese bio-warfare horror.
At Fort Detrick, Maryland, the main U.S. installation for BW, records remain on file of the thousands of tissue slides, preserved organs (some labeled "American"

General Willoughby listed the five most important items providing "the greatest value in future development of the United States BW program." These included the Japanese scientists' "complete report" of "BW against man" that Willoughby described as "the only information available in world"; "field trials against Chinese" such as Powell described; using animals as deadly bacteria conveyors" ("U.S. has done little work in this field"

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http://www.counterpunch.org/reed05272006.html
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Yes, and now we have Homeland Security and we're headed toward implanted ID chips
Fumesucker
Jan 2013
#70
The OP minimized nothing. He assumed everyone with even a rudimentary education....
OldDem2012
Jan 2013
#83
Hmmm. What did Octafish post that was not the truth? In all the years I've been reading....
OldDem2012
Jan 2013
#84
Historically speaking, Hitler could've conceivably won if the Business Plot succeeded against FDR.
Selatius
Jan 2013
#32
It can't Happen Here by Sinclair Lewis was a great book about Nazis taking over the US.
libinnyandia
Jan 2013
#33
I'm stunned by how few think of what could have happened if Japan had won the war
davidpdx
Jan 2013
#37
The reason there chances were dismal was because FDR went all in right after the bombing of PH
davidpdx
Jan 2013
#136
That is a fascinating question and a good reminder: USA forgave the Japanese War Criminals, too.
Octafish
Jan 2013
#134
Thanks to banking, there are no borders for individuals and organizations with means.
Octafish
Jan 2013
#121
Where's the part about exteriminating Jews and murdering 12 million people?
michigandem58
Jan 2013
#40
If the Nazis had gone through with Generalplan Ost, the Holocaust would be an addendum.
dairydog91
Jan 2013
#64
I wonder whether there would be an Internet with countless political discussion forums
Nye Bevan
Jan 2013
#51
Frightening when you really think about it. There is only one on your list....
OldDem2012
Jan 2013
#54
I've made it a personal habit to always look for your "know your BFEE" posts....
OldDem2012
Jan 2013
#101
Didn't Newt Greengooch write a series of "alternate history" novels where the nazzies won?
Erose999
Jan 2013
#67
imported comment from another thread about Republicans perfectly describes what would happen...
No Compromise
Jan 2013
#77
What would Nazis do to our food supply?What kind of designer drugs would they sick on the population
No Compromise
Jan 2013
#81
I used to think that, too. Then I read 'Friendly Fascism' by Bertram Gross...
Octafish
Jan 2013
#124
We write what we want to, we say what we want to, we see what we want to.
LanternWaste
Jan 2013
#135