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AtheistCrusader

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24. There is no firearm mild enough to fire at a child without horrific consequences.

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 02:48 PM

Feb 2013

None. Not one. Not even a .22 CB.

Calling it high or low powered just opens the door to disassembling the argument. I can even disassemble yours. Yes, the .223 is high powered compared to a pistol round. 533 Joules, 393 ft/lbf versus 1,800 Joules/1,330 ft/lbf. Three times more force. Big deal. The context was rifles. The OP discussed 'keep your bolt action rifles'.

My .30-06 hunting rifle? 4,042 Joules, 2,981 ft/lbf. More than double a .223, and it has been exempted as not at issue.

If I might suggest a more useful metric, rather than specious uses of 'high powered', try 'high cyclic rate', meaning it fires faster. A competent user can crank out a couple hundred shots a minute with that AR. A bolt action hunting rifle is considerably constrained on cyclic rate. Yes, I can fire it fast, but I have to reload often (mine requires it every 5 shots), reloading is less convenient, working the bolt takes longer than a semi-auto.

If an adjective has to be used to describe the weapon in a manner that is relevant to the policy discussion, it needs to be accurate.

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Of Children and of Guns. [View all] Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2013 OP

I'll give you a kick aikoaiko Feb 2013 #1

I hear what you are saying, but consider.... Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2013 #3

Why should you miss them? Crepuscular Feb 2013 #5

Except you'd probably actively use your Porshe every day. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2013 #7

It depends Crepuscular Feb 2013 #12

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kickinf times 1000. Whovian Feb 2013 #8

Thanks. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2013 #26

Here is a Sandy Hook father who is still against gun-control. GreenStormCloud Feb 2013 #9

"the problem is not gun laws, the problem is a lack of civility" the father says marions ghost Feb 2013 #10

His views are just as valid as the anti-gun parents. GreenStormCloud Feb 2013 #23

For starters, you're going to have to learn how to talk to the people you're trying to reach. beevul Feb 2013 #11

Oh, please. Matthew 7:3, beevul. Robb Feb 2013 #13

I wasn't belittling anyone, robb. beevul Feb 2013 #16

nicely written, thanks Duckhunter935 Feb 2013 #14

You said: Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2013 #17

Yes, I did. beevul Feb 2013 #20

I enjoyed your OP. I think it brought some interesting points to the conversation. AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #27

"Heads Would Explode"? Paladin Feb 2013 #19

Do you need help with reading comprension paladin? beevul Feb 2013 #21

There is no firearm mild enough to fire at a child without horrific consequences. AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #24

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Good luck, Sir. PLARS1999 Feb 2013 #18

Well thought out , well written. Zax2me Feb 2013 #22

Thanks. nt Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2013 #25