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AtheistCrusader

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27. I enjoyed your OP. I think it brought some interesting points to the conversation.
Fri Feb 1, 2013, 05:17 PM
Feb 2013

I appreciate the time and thought you put into it. I'm afraid I don't follow you in this particular post though. I own multiple weapons on the proposed ban bill. Most of them I inherited from my father. I am not alone at DU, as an owner of various firearms proposed for restriction. I am, of course, not in fear of my firearms being collected. We don't do ex post facto type stuff in the US, I know mine are mine and will remain so. The only issue here is the sales of new ones.

Have you ever used such a rifle? You seem frustrated with the very concept of it. I can't say I'm not biased, I am, I have used them a lot. But I feel they aren't as exotic as your commentary suggests. Particularly on 'no practical purpose'. If that were literally true, I would never bother keeping them. I would sell them, or have them destroyed, because they would then be too much trouble to keep around and store safely. I am not suggesting you have to, but I would ask you consider giving one a try at the range, or sit down and talk to some non-teabagger, wouldn't-heckle-a-man-who-just-lost-his-kid, normal sort of person who owns one and ask them why, and what purpose it serves. They do exist. The NRA behaves like it is the only game in town when it comes to firearms, and that's just not true. They are simply the LOUDEST. I feel genuinely embarrassed to be associated with them at all. Not as a member, I am not. Not as a firearm owner, because I am not ashamed of that in the slightest. But I am deeply embarrassed and concerned about their rhetoric in 'defense' of firearms. (In fact, I feel they are doing gun owners all sorts of damage)


"It's just simple plain, common sense. No need to "speak their language", or get into the technical intricacies and terminology of the various types of guns."

I disagree. The proposed bill would ban new sales of my AR, but allow new sales of my Mini-14. The two rifles work the same*, have the same capacity, fire at the same rate, one has a plastic stock, the other wood. (And the wood one can be replaced with a 'tactical' plastic stock easily and legally enough) It is important that the law be respectable, for people to respect it. If the law is self-contradictory, or doesn't make sense, or seems arbitrary or capricious, it robs it of credibility and support.

(*There are some differences in operation, one is a gas impinged piston bolt, etc, but they fire at the same rate, making them essentially equivalent here)

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Of Children and of Guns. [View all] Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2013 OP
I'll give you a kick aikoaiko Feb 2013 #1
I hear what you are saying, but consider.... Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2013 #3
Why should you miss them? Crepuscular Feb 2013 #5
Except you'd probably actively use your Porshe every day. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2013 #7
It depends Crepuscular Feb 2013 #12
I have to run to a 4 hour meeting, but I will get back to you. aikoaiko Feb 2013 #6
I don't think you should have to miss them, but.... aikoaiko Feb 2013 #28
Frankly Guns are terrible writers in general el_bryanto Feb 2013 #2
Sorry, whoosh....nt Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2013 #4
kickinf times 1000. Whovian Feb 2013 #8
Thanks. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2013 #26
Here is a Sandy Hook father who is still against gun-control. GreenStormCloud Feb 2013 #9
"the problem is not gun laws, the problem is a lack of civility" the father says marions ghost Feb 2013 #10
His views are just as valid as the anti-gun parents. GreenStormCloud Feb 2013 #23
For starters, you're going to have to learn how to talk to the people you're trying to reach. beevul Feb 2013 #11
Oh, please. Matthew 7:3, beevul. Robb Feb 2013 #13
I wasn't belittling anyone, robb. beevul Feb 2013 #16
nicely written, thanks Duckhunter935 Feb 2013 #14
You said: Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2013 #17
Yes, I did. beevul Feb 2013 #20
I enjoyed your OP. I think it brought some interesting points to the conversation. AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #27
"Heads Would Explode"? Paladin Feb 2013 #19
Do you need help with reading comprension paladin? beevul Feb 2013 #21
There is no firearm mild enough to fire at a child without horrific consequences. AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #24
Kick Recursion Feb 2013 #15
Good luck, Sir. PLARS1999 Feb 2013 #18
Well thought out , well written. Zax2me Feb 2013 #22
Thanks. nt Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2013 #25
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