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stevenleser

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57. Again, you make my point for me. How exactly was this satisfied...

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 06:43 PM

Feb 2013

"reliance by the United States on further diplomatic or
other peaceful means alone either (A) will not adequately
protect the national security of the United States against the
continuing threat posed by Iraq or (B) is not likely to lead to
enforcement of all relevant United Nations Security Council
resolutions regarding Iraq; and"

... when the UN Weapons inspectors issued reports 13 days beforehand that said that no weapons had been found after four months of on the ground inspections where every previous suspected site had been inspected and several new sites were also suspected.
Thats part B and as far as part A, as I made clear in my article, without WMD and with the US flying combat air patrol over 66% of the country, how is Iraq a threat.

No matter how you slice it, the President violated the IWR when he invaded.

An authorization whose provisions are violated is no authorization.

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When Truth Tried to Stop War [View all] Octafish Feb 2013 OP

Joe Wilson also provided information their reasons for invafing Itaq was false and his reward Thinkingabout Feb 2013 #1

Bush made wives 'fair game' in war on whistleblowers. Octafish Feb 2013 #3

Yeah, but that was when they could blame it all the republicans. Egalitarian Thug Feb 2013 #2

It was Geirge W Bush with the final decision, the ones you listed authorized action Thinkingabout Feb 2013 #5

Well of course it was shrub, that's not the point. Without these traitors siding with Egalitarian Thug Feb 2013 #10

I read the names, the point I was trying to make to you it would have happened without the support Thinkingabout Feb 2013 #11

That's simply not true. Go look at the records, there were quite a few republicans that opposed Egalitarian Thug Feb 2013 #12

There was nothing wrong with the Democratic vote on IWR. As I explain in my post below. nt stevenleser Feb 2013 #14

Yes, there was. Apparently revising history is not the sole purview of the republicans. n/t Egalitarian Thug Feb 2013 #17

Go ahead and explain away my response then because you have to revise history to be correct. nt stevenleser Feb 2013 #19

And here's another republican strategy, accuse your opponent of doing what you're doing. Egalitarian Thug Feb 2013 #23

You just revised the Iraq War Resolution below. So I would say you just did the GOP tactic. nt stevenleser Feb 2013 #24

Of course you would. It doesn't change the record. Without the votes of those DINOs the act Egalitarian Thug Feb 2013 #25

You keep trying to pretend facts away, it doesn't work. Deal with the facts or admit defeat. stevenleser Feb 2013 #27

. Egalitarian Thug Feb 2013 #29

Cite where any of those articles disagree with me. nt stevenleser Feb 2013 #30

Every one of them shows that without the Senate vote the acts fails and the rest Egalitarian Thug Feb 2013 #34

I agree 100% RandiFan1290 Feb 2013 #37

It wasnt just "Dems" it was the entire international community stevenleser Feb 2013 #42

It was a clear as day then what the IWR was about and no amount of obfuscation changes that. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2013 #45

I am in favor of the OP, and as I said, cite something that disagrees with me and the article. stevenleser Feb 2013 #39

Go push your blog somewhere else. You're not the first, nor will you be the Egalitarian Thug Feb 2013 #40

OpEdNews is not my blog. Let's count how many times you have been wrong or ignored facts stevenleser Feb 2013 #41

This is just pathetic. No Democratic votes for the IWR = no Iraq war Comrade Grumpy Feb 2013 #43

Think about how illogical that statement is. The provisions in the IWR were not met. stevenleser Feb 2013 #53

Spin tiny dancer. I made one point and one point only. Egalitarian Thug Feb 2013 #51

I stand on my previous call outs of your inaccuracies and bad faith efforts. nt stevenleser Feb 2013 #54

Of course you do. But it still doesn't change the fact that Democratic Senators Egalitarian Thug Feb 2013 #64

The republicans were a foregone conclusion, only one of them voted against. Egalitarian Thug Feb 2013 #52

The 'money trumps peace' crowd is buy-partisan. Octafish Feb 2013 #6

Exactly. Egalitarian Thug Feb 2013 #20

Not correct and I thoroughly explain why here... stevenleser Feb 2013 #13

Roll Call says otherwise. Egalitarian Thug Feb 2013 #16

Fact matter, and they are not on your side. Here it is real easy and simple stevenleser Feb 2013 #18

Yes they do. "Congress gave permission for war". n/t Egalitarian Thug Feb 2013 #21

Just as I thought, you are revising history to make your point. Exactly what you accused me of doing stevenleser Feb 2013 #22

I probably shouldn't jump in here, but ... Martin Eden Feb 2013 #26

Things were not clear to lots of folks including a majority of the UN Sec Council Nations stevenleser Feb 2013 #28

Are you suggesting that the Dems who signed off on the IWR magellan Feb 2013 #33

That argument doesnt work for several reasons stevenleser Feb 2013 #38

Your Security Council argument doesn't work Martin Eden Feb 2013 #44

It does work, and everything else you wrote only makes my point stronger. stevenleser Feb 2013 #56

You're making no sense whatsoever. Martin Eden Feb 2013 #62

The bombing campaign that took place in 2002 wasn't de facto magellan Feb 2013 #48

Again, you make my point for me. How exactly was this satisfied... stevenleser Feb 2013 #57

Are you joking? magellan Feb 2013 #61

And as regards the bombing, there were many such escalations, like Operation Desert Fox and stevenleser Feb 2013 #58

Except those were publicly announced by Clinton, not kept secret magellan Feb 2013 #63

It was clear at the time what the IWR was...a free ticket for Bush to go to war. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2013 #47

Exactly magellan Feb 2013 #49

Nope, see my response upthread. nt stevenleser Feb 2013 #55

+1 HiPointDem Feb 2013 #50

DURec leftstreet Feb 2013 #4

Only the Truth could derail the War Train Octafish Feb 2013 #8

Thanks for this. hay rick Feb 2013 #7

'...but the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy...' Octafish Feb 2013 #65

Dear Octafish, you are just the best of the best. 7wo7rees Feb 2013 #9

Remember how Pruneface and Poppy Bush helped arm Saddam in the 1980s and 90s? Octafish Feb 2013 #66

Bad Partners 4Q2u2 Feb 2013 #78

K&R stevenleser Feb 2013 #15

ENEMY WANTED Octafish Feb 2013 #67

Good read. Swanson's work is very important stevenleser Feb 2013 #71

Check this out... stevenleser Feb 2013 #72

Political ambrition trumps the truth every time. Not to mention money. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2013 #31

This war on terrorism is bogus Octafish Feb 2013 #68

He was good at jumping through Bush's hoop Ian Iam Feb 2013 #32

Steve Bell pegged them for history. Octafish Feb 2013 #69

Money trumps peace all the time every time. Initech Feb 2013 #35

Bush told the Iraqis not to harm the oil wells night before invasion. Octafish Feb 2013 #70

So that makes me really wonder what this war was really fought for. Initech Feb 2013 #73

An excellent job of research, Octafish! LongTomH Feb 2013 #36

DU was on to their gangster arses from the Gitmo Get-go. Octafish Feb 2013 #74

The archive.org article did make a factual error. Prescott Bush was George H.W. daddy not.... LongTomH Feb 2013 #80

Two Prescotts...pere and frere. Octafish Feb 2013 #81

I stand corrected! LongTomH Feb 2013 #82

HUGE K & R !!! WillyT Feb 2013 #46

Now Lies and Sideshows Protect the Traitors. Octafish Feb 2013 #75

I remember those days. nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #59

The Lies that Led to the Iraq War and the Persistant Myth of 'Intelligence Failure' Octafish Feb 2013 #76

Two NYC marches for me. Millions of us world-wide knew we were about to see a war crime in our name. WinkyDink Feb 2013 #60

Thank you, WinkyDink. I, too, remember. Remember Curveball? Octafish Feb 2013 #77

There were millions, worldwide, who tried to stop it Oilwellian Feb 2013 #79