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114. You're saying there is no Perfect Solution?

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 11:42 AM

Feb 2013

Really? As President of this country who has sworn an oath to protect and defend the Constitution from foreign and DOMESTIC enemies is saying there is no perfect solution they are going to bomb us anyway? That is what you're going to tell the American people? If the drone attacks were illegal then why hasn't the Supreme Court stopped it? Where is Congress on this?

I'm sorry but I don't understand your question to me. Are you saying in your question that we are taking away the rights of American citizens that align themselves with an American enemy? The United States Congress declared war on terror naming Al Qeada as the enemy during George Bush's term. Therefore those Americans that are Al Qaeda members are enemies of the United States.

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Apparently this is the breaking point, [View all] MadHound Feb 2013 OP

This is ironic.... geckosfeet Feb 2013 #1

Could the President stop the drone attacks...really? kelliekat44 Feb 2013 #222

Yes, he could lark Feb 2013 #230

The president picks whom he is told to pick. loudsue Feb 2013 #305

the irony is.... geckosfeet Feb 2013 #294

America's Culture Of Violence And Bravado Has Compromised The Presidency And American Morality cantbeserious Feb 2013 #2

Thats what I like about Madhound..everything he/she posts, is always in absolutes... Katashi_itto Feb 2013 #3

Yup and he dusted off a new rhetorical device to use today! Wonder how many times we'll have to FSogol Feb 2013 #5

+1 Katashi_itto Feb 2013 #8

+100 Champion Jack Feb 2013 #90

Not only are you in the wrong party, you're on the wrong side of history, the constitution, goodness grahamhgreen Feb 2013 #181

Bullocks! FSogol Feb 2013 #186

Now you just PROVED you're indecent by using the word 'bollocks'. randome Feb 2013 #188

You no longer have to wonder about how the good Germans allowed Hitler to happen. grahamhgreen Feb 2013 #224

Godwin's law! FSogol Feb 2013 #277

Where exactly did grahamhgreen acuse you... tex-wyo-dem Feb 2013 #308

I agree totally with what you said. A lot of people in this thread truth2power Feb 2013 #315

That was in post 224 mythology Feb 2013 #341

I'm pretty sure the word, in the UK, is ballocks. xtraxritical Feb 2013 #282

The who? You mean the people sworn to defend the constitution from all threats, will defend it? grahamhgreen Feb 2013 #223

Unfortunately, for all intents and purposes, the truedelphi Feb 2013 #276

Ok and our choice was - it doesnt sound like he's talking about choice for prez leftyohiolib Feb 2013 #29

it is bad, BUT given the reality we live in---PUKES slavering at the bit to grab power and BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2013 #172

Sense of proportion tama Feb 2013 #203

Nobody is talking about removing Obama. JDPriestly Feb 2013 #297

The OP is about the hypocrisy of changing your stance on policy rhett o rick Feb 2013 #60

For which he ought to be able to provide specific examples. But no one ever does. stevenleser Feb 2013 #105

Did you have a problem with torture? You left that one out? NOVA_Dem Feb 2013 #115

Yes, I have a problem with torture. I am sure I left other things out too. nt stevenleser Feb 2013 #129

So it's wrong to torture a foreigner we capture on the battlefield NOVA_Dem Feb 2013 #137

We cannot get our hands on said person. stevenleser Feb 2013 #142

The memo cites undue burden in capturing these people without defining what the burden should be. NOVA_Dem Feb 2013 #151

Standard of proof? Besides common sense? stevenleser Feb 2013 #303

Because what you call "assassinated", we call "killed in action". n/t ieoeja Feb 2013 #212

Yes tama Feb 2013 #209

Nope, I have no idea what that is supposed to mean. Nt stevenleser Feb 2013 #298

That's just sad tama Feb 2013 #302

I am glad you are against war crimes at least when the REpublicans do them. rhett o rick Feb 2013 #157

Those who decide what war crimes are and who came up with the idea do not agree. nt stevenleser Feb 2013 #158

Who decides what war crimes are? And where is their list? nm rhett o rick Feb 2013 #160

The UN and the subgroup that meets on the geneva conventions nt stevenleser Feb 2013 #161

I have more research to do but I believe the UN has not endorsed killer drone strikes outside rhett o rick Feb 2013 #163

Did Bush do this too? treestar Feb 2013 #286

What do you think? nm rhett o rick Feb 2013 #288

That Bush did this too treestar Feb 2013 #291

How sad. Very sad. You are rationalizing that killing with drones is ok because Bush did it. rhett o rick Feb 2013 #292

Seems to me... JuniperLea Feb 2013 #215

It makes it too easy Mojorabbit Feb 2013 #227

Since when has the US or any nation cared? JuniperLea Feb 2013 #339

The problem is not drones used in war zones. JDPriestly Feb 2013 #300

How is it any different JuniperLea Feb 2013 #338

Only Congress can declare a war. JDPriestly Feb 2013 #340

Well, Bush laid waste to all of that... JuniperLea Feb 2013 #342

Right. JDPriestly Feb 2013 #343

You're overlooking the fact that there is a policy. randome Feb 2013 #127

"Codifying the conditions" is that like a pinky swear? And "LESS likely" is only good until it isnt rhett o rick Feb 2013 #154

what about when China adds this to their rights, KakistocracyHater Feb 2013 #254

i doubt they would have to add it arely staircase Feb 2013 #331

is it official policy everywhere then & U.S. is last? KakistocracyHater Feb 2013 #334

How do you feel? tama Feb 2013 #206

I feel we are a very slippery slope. We rationalize that we are at war rhett o rick Feb 2013 #234

LOL tama Feb 2013 #237

You are so right on that. JDPriestly Feb 2013 #304

Where did he say we should have elected Romney? caseymoz Feb 2013 #80

So, if I don't like the plan to kill Americans without trial... bobclark86 Feb 2013 #112

We have 4 years (3 1/2 at least) dotymed Feb 2013 #116

Wow. You pack a lot of bullshit in just a few lines. Jakes Progress Feb 2013 #173

I don't see that you can determine someone else's level of hypocrisy. randome Feb 2013 #174

Perhaps you don't know the definition of hypocrisy. Jakes Progress Feb 2013 #177

LOL bvar22 Feb 2013 #211

So provide an example of a DUer who meets that criteria stevenleser Feb 2013 #299

Read the OP. Jakes Progress Feb 2013 #322

Option 1) State clearly that you do not support the policy. Agreed? grahamhgreen Feb 2013 #180

It's a sign of a limited intellect IMHO Floyd_Gondolli Feb 2013 #182

You freaking nailed it. Number23 Feb 2013 #273

this ^^^^^ lillypaddle Feb 2013 #217

I agree, we cannot become like the Republicans and redstatebluegirl Feb 2013 #221

With us or against us tama Feb 2013 #247

Good point and why are drones worse than guns, or bombs? treestar Feb 2013 #285

When you've sulphurdunn Feb 2013 #318

I didn't like it then, and I don't like it now. hobbit709 Feb 2013 #4

Hmmm... Rider3 Feb 2013 #6

Rider3: Sweetheart, please read the 6th Amendment. jerseyjack Feb 2013 #27

6th Amendment Rider3 Feb 2013 #202

U.S. Constitution - Amendment 6 RC Feb 2013 #49

See post #13. randome Feb 2013 #50

See post #53 RC Feb 2013 #55

Sorry, but the rights granted under Amendment 6 do not apply outside the US.... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #62

As an American citizen, the Constitution most surly does, no matter where you are. RC Feb 2013 #73

Read the amendment carefully.... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #79

Show me in the Constitution where the Constitution does not apply to a US citizen accused of a crime RC Feb 2013 #91

What crime? jeff47 Feb 2013 #113

Its not in the constitution but i found it an obscure references nvme Feb 2013 #312

Its not in the constitution but i found it an obscure rferences nvme Feb 2013 #313

Again, read Amendment 6 carefully. The protections extend only to US Citizens in US states and.... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #179

Protection of American Rights of Person and Property Abroad RC Feb 2013 #185

You're confusing the rights of law-abiding US Citizens traveling or working abroad.... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #187

Try this then RC Feb 2013 #191

What should I "try" about it? If you have an argument on this issue, take it up with... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #239

Because the Reagen Administrator did it, that makes it legal for every Administration after that? RC Feb 2013 #248

Show me where the Drone attacks are limited to persons "taking up arms against the US overseas" Vincardog Feb 2013 #170

Show me where it doesn't. nt. OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #238

No person …nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law Vincardog Feb 2013 #256

Al Awlaki did not take up arms moodforaday Feb 2013 #295

The Enlightenment Values RobinA Feb 2013 #141

EXACTLY!!! bvar22 Feb 2013 #213

Yup tama Feb 2013 #257

Right tama Feb 2013 #253

Ain't nothing Speedier than Trial by Drone Demeter Feb 2013 #85

Doesn't apply. jeff47 Feb 2013 #111

If they are US citizen, Due Processes still does apply. RC Feb 2013 #131

What Due Process is a non-custodial enemy combatant owed? Specifically, what is the due? nt msanthrope Feb 2013 #138

Point out where the Constitution says that. jeff47 Feb 2013 #140

That is a bizarre claim. bvar22 Feb 2013 #148

We are in other countries at the request of those governments. randome Feb 2013 #149

LOL tama Feb 2013 #260

Of course the US has such a right jeff47 Feb 2013 #150

I wasn't aware that Congress had declared WAR. bvar22 Feb 2013 #155

They have. jeff47 Feb 2013 #166

+1000. Why is this so difficult to understand for some folks? nt. OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #242

Because some folks tama Feb 2013 #262

If an American is participating in a plot to harm US military or civilian personnel overseas.... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #267

That's how we are different tama Feb 2013 #270

Ah...the truth comes out. You're not an American, but you want to dictate what.... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #272

The Truth? tama Feb 2013 #274

If you think this discussion is about "American fascism" then you either.... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #278

Fascism aka national socialism is not just right wing tama Feb 2013 #281

Way to prove the point in the OP alarimer Feb 2013 #233

Disgusting. grahamhgreen Feb 2013 #245

So as non-citizen tama Feb 2013 #259

Yep, suddenly it's a big deal when it's this President treestar Feb 2013 #289

The breaking point of what exactly? lunatica Feb 2013 #7

I respectfully submit, this country is broken Demeter Feb 2013 #87

'aye 840high Feb 2013 #171

You may be right lunatica Feb 2013 #201

When tama Feb 2013 #263

It is for me. Democracyinkind Feb 2013 #9

Will be very curious to know what Republican you will want for president in 2016 Katashi_itto Feb 2013 #11

So the Democrats might as well run with Hitler's reincarnation? Democracyinkind Feb 2013 #18

Well as long as Republicans make Attila the Hun look like Mother Teresa...technically yep. Katashi_itto Feb 2013 #20

As long as Obama makes Bush look like Mother Theresa.. Democracyinkind Feb 2013 #22

Politics of fear tama Feb 2013 #264

And what part of PNAC are we following now? randome Feb 2013 #21

By making use of double-dips and signatory strikes. Democracyinkind Feb 2013 #25

I don't agree with a lot of this, either. randome Feb 2013 #47

Then we have more in common, than me and the OP have, perhaps. Democracyinkind Feb 2013 #72

Hardly evil, but in regards to civil rights Riftaxe Feb 2013 #228

Message auto-removed kevm1550 Feb 2013 #41

Well, leaving those countries completely at the mercy of the turmoil Bush caused... randome Feb 2013 #48

Message auto-removed kevm1550 Feb 2013 #54

What you see is what you get pscot Feb 2013 #64

^ this, for the win. Myrina Feb 2013 #88

To me, it isn't about parties and never has been LittleBlue Feb 2013 #251

You do not get to decide what everyone's 'breaking point' is. randome Feb 2013 #10

Post removed Post removed Feb 2013 #12

And he didn't even give her a trial! randome Feb 2013 #16

Yep...No due process for Beyonce!! Drone Strike her! Katashi_itto Feb 2013 #17

So? This is okay with you? Jakes Progress Feb 2013 #175

It is NOT okay with me. I would prefer additional restraints on the use of military power. randome Feb 2013 #178

As long as you're not worried... Jakes Progress Feb 2013 #214

Did the kidnapper in Alabama..... Mustellus Feb 2013 #13

Excellent points. randome Feb 2013 #15

So, the more wrongs we commit, the more we are justified in doing? RC Feb 2013 #53

If you want to argue the inhumanity of war, that's probably best saved for another thread. randome Feb 2013 #123

Perhaps... geckosfeet Feb 2013 #26

Bear in mind, though.... FredStembottom Feb 2013 #42

The difference is. Democracyinkind Feb 2013 #93

Having watched Joe Scarborough... Mustellus Feb 2013 #218

Re Obama tama Feb 2013 #265

Poor critical thinking skills displayed... NOVA_Dem Feb 2013 #125

The Alabama shooter..... Mustellus Feb 2013 #269

Instances like the one in Alabama? Rider3 Feb 2013 #204

WTF? This is not a right wing complaint NoMoreWarNow Feb 2013 #280

Well stated! donheld Feb 2013 #306

Could someone please post a link to this drone memo? wandy Feb 2013 #14

There is a link in the article. Blanks Feb 2013 #23

Thanks. Didn't dig deep enough.. wandy Feb 2013 #34

Here it is caraher Feb 2013 #31

I don't think you get to decide quaker bill Feb 2013 #19

actually, we are all making such judgments every day. tomp Feb 2013 #240

Context is real. quaker bill Feb 2013 #249

please explain. nt tomp Feb 2013 #258

The op is about drone strikes quaker bill Feb 2013 #317

Oh, yes. randome Feb 2013 #319

if you read closer you would see.... tomp Feb 2013 #332

There is something subtle I am apparently missing quaker bill Feb 2013 #333

well, i'm with you on ending violence. tomp Feb 2013 #335

I still don't see it quaker bill Feb 2013 #336

Empathy is real tama Feb 2013 #266

Madhound...for some, there is nothing, and I mean NOTHING that Obama could do truth2power Feb 2013 #24

Thank you, t2p. FredStembottom Feb 2013 #40

that's pretty much it Doctor_J Feb 2013 #76

Second that! Demeter Feb 2013 #89

+1 Marrah_G Feb 2013 #152

+ 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!! - And Thank You !!! WillyT Feb 2013 #232

Why is it nobody seems to want to discuss the fact that this policy was started under Reagan.... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #28

To some degree, it's a question of capabilities. Democracyinkind Feb 2013 #30

But, are the actions carried out by the Obama Administration any more or less Constitutional .... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #58

I agree in parts Democracyinkind Feb 2013 #69

This message was self-deleted by its author FredStembottom Feb 2013 #33

Thanks for the lecture. Got anything substantial to add to the thread? nt. OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #46

Will self-delete if I can. FredStembottom Feb 2013 #52

Appreciate the response. Thanks. nt. OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #59

So because the Repukes all kill extrajudicially, that makes it OK for Obama? Doctor_J Feb 2013 #71

Since when has it been only the repukes? Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #120

Are you in the right thread? Doctor_J Feb 2013 #153

I responded to this... Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #164

I just brought that up in another thread. librabear Feb 2013 #108

It goes back much, much, much further than that jeff47 Feb 2013 #110

Read "The Lottery" by Shirley Jackson... truth2power Feb 2013 #156

at least since wwii the u.s. govt.... tomp Feb 2013 #243

People are blowing this way out of proportion and should save their energy... EastKYLiberal Feb 2013 #32

.....and their traitorous little children. FredStembottom Feb 2013 #35

Message auto-removed kevm1550 Feb 2013 #44

I love the over the top melodrama Floyd_Gondolli Feb 2013 #184

When the little kids get blown up along their supposed extremist parents.... FredStembottom Feb 2013 #309

And when we put troops on the ground, even MORE civilians will die. randome Feb 2013 #320

I'm against the troops being there at all. FredStembottom Feb 2013 #328

Asserting that everyone killed by our drone program is Democracyinkind Feb 2013 #39

Post removed Post removed Feb 2013 #321

And you appear to have trouble in figuring out how to post. Democracyinkind Feb 2013 #323

Thanks for pointing that out Floyd_Gondolli Feb 2013 #324

Only to people who repeatedly post about other poster's intellect (sic).... Democracyinkind Feb 2013 #325

Oh I suspect it's probably a little worse than that Floyd_Gondolli Feb 2013 #326

Get it. Democracyinkind Feb 2013 #327

define "extremist,"... tomp Feb 2013 #244

the constitution is undergoing a revision as far as laws maintaining their guild lines of the conste IsiahHallJr Feb 2013 #36

... SidDithers Feb 2013 #37

No doubt about it. There is no Constitutional foundation for 'extrajudicial killing.' Octafish Feb 2013 #38

great question unapatriciated Feb 2013 #167

Yes, Mad. I believe it is. FredStembottom Feb 2013 #43

A month from now, this will be a faded memory. Motown_Johnny Feb 2013 #45

If we're going to support regulation for assault rifles for the population, Baitball Blogger Feb 2013 #51

Okay drones are ok and legal to kill Americans littlewolf Feb 2013 #56

Good luck with Moral Compass Underground michigandem58 Feb 2013 #57

"Malcontent Underground" would be more apt. FSogol Feb 2013 #65

Here's your problem ProSense Feb 2013 #61

I will use this Post, John2 Feb 2013 #82

Okay Yavapai Feb 2013 #220

War is hell tama Feb 2013 #268

"Taking up arms" is a good rhetorical device that makes things seem pretty airtight TheKentuckian Feb 2013 #99

Having taken up arms against the United States Government yourself Riftaxe Feb 2013 #236

Honestly? Spider Jerusalem Feb 2013 #63

+1. n/t FSogol Feb 2013 #66

What the critics don't seem to understand is the key language in Amendment 6.... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #67

Succinctly put. Robb Feb 2013 #68

I see your point, but they are also targeting people who have not "taken up arms". limpyhobbler Feb 2013 #74

"Guilt by Association along with Indefinite Detention.." KoKo Feb 2013 #100

Will it be okay to take out Domestic terrorists with drones on American soil? proReality Feb 2013 #96

I am unconvinced of the slippery slope argument here. Spider Jerusalem Feb 2013 #101

Convinced or not, it is something to think about. n/t proReality Feb 2013 #104

Not really Spider Jerusalem Feb 2013 #119

wow, how quaint! tomp Feb 2013 #246

And how many of them are US citizens? treestar Feb 2013 #287

Hear, Hear Puzzledtraveller Feb 2013 #70

you must be ecstatic Whisp Feb 2013 #75

it's christmas morning for him... dionysus Feb 2013 #122

If I had known this before the election ann--- Feb 2013 #77

And run the risk of having Romney in the White House? Seriously?? Please. nt. OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #84

Post removed Post removed Feb 2013 #86

Maybe I'm missing something gholtron Feb 2013 #78

??? heaven05 Feb 2013 #81

You've been here since June of this year, and you're sending off long-timers? DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2013 #139

I heaven05 Feb 2013 #143

Sorry to hear about your execution. It looks like the resurrection is working nicely though. DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2013 #145

call heaven05 Feb 2013 #147

The whole point of our constitutional rights... BlueCheese Feb 2013 #314

Kick and... R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #83

I disagree MH. This is not the "breaking point". As you can see in this thread rhett o rick Feb 2013 #92

It was wrong under bush and it's more wrong now under Obama. Arcanetrance Feb 2013 #94

what is your solution gholtron Feb 2013 #98

There is no perfect solution if a group is that determined I get the feeling they will find a way to Arcanetrance Feb 2013 #106

You're saying there is no Perfect Solution? gholtron Feb 2013 #114

Yes the president takes that oath but violating other nations borders with drones and "targeted" Arcanetrance Feb 2013 #118

Putting troops on the ground on other countries would kill FAR more civilians than drones. randome Feb 2013 #124

I never said anything about putting troops on the ground. Arcanetrance Feb 2013 #128

How do we stop them? gholtron Feb 2013 #130

Forgive me if you took what I said as an insult it wasn't meant that way. Arcanetrance Feb 2013 #132

911 could have been avoided. gholtron Feb 2013 #135

The "solution" is for the terrorists to stop. sibelian Feb 2013 #311

+10 !!! (NT) reACTIONary Feb 2013 #271

The choice was Obama or Romney austinlw Feb 2013 #95

What a sad rationalization. Killing just a few innocent women and children is ok rhett o rick Feb 2013 #169

Oh, come on! It's not immoral or wrong when we do it! Zorra Feb 2013 #97

Hey, come on now.. Upton Feb 2013 #102

Above all, our allegiance must always be with our Constitution. TheProgressive Feb 2013 #103

Go back to sleep! librabear Feb 2013 #107

Breaking point? Are you kidding? mountain grammy Feb 2013 #109

Sorry, but assassination is Constitutional jeff47 Feb 2013 #117

To me the drone decision proves the powerful protect each other without regard to the less powerful. Lint Head Feb 2013 #121

My breaking point came when he promised to escalate the lost war in Afghanistan. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2013 #126

And many of those people were Taliban beheading women and chopping the hands off unbelievers. randome Feb 2013 #133

And many of them were women and children Downtown Hound Feb 2013 #195

And putting troops on the ground would ensure more civilian casualties. That's a fact. randome Feb 2013 #198

Hmmm...I wasn't aware that we had a God given right to decide Downtown Hound Feb 2013 #200

Personally, I think the only thing missing was an Official Declaration of War against Al Qiada lapfog_1 Feb 2013 #134

Might the civil war be a precedent? bhikkhu Feb 2013 #136

Interesting librabear Feb 2013 #144

War was authorized by congress this time on Sept 14th, 2001 bhikkhu Feb 2013 #284

Kicked and Rec'd Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2013 #146

you broke a long time ago. MjolnirTime Feb 2013 #159

What Obama is doing with the Drone Agenda is plethoro Feb 2013 #162

100 recs now. woo me with science Feb 2013 #165

So, let me see if I understand this.... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #189

You wouldn't have found a supportive word on DU for Bush had he written the same memo LittleBlue Feb 2013 #261

Kick and rec from me as well. MuseRider Feb 2013 #168

So, I guess we won't see all you guys around anymore. DevonRex Feb 2013 #176

Hahaha! babylonsister Feb 2013 #190

I love the tone of this post Floyd_Gondolli Feb 2013 #192

Are you kidding? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Feb 2013 #252

He is entitled to his opinion. Beacool Feb 2013 #293

Rec'd for suggesting a moral compass might still exist just1voice Feb 2013 #183

Did you ever think what would happen if Obama backed down on this.... busterbrown Feb 2013 #193

Why is anybody surprised? Obama has been far worse than Bush about this all along BlueStreak Feb 2013 #194

And because of that, fewer civilians and troops die. randome Feb 2013 #199

Compared to what? BlueStreak Feb 2013 #210

Guess what? That assertion cannot be proven WITHOUT A TRIAL. WinkyDink Feb 2013 #216

Only apparently tama Feb 2013 #196

Well they can all console themselves that the trains... TheMadMonk Feb 2013 #197

Madhound dropped his missile and returned to Fort Flamebait Kolesar Feb 2013 #205

Man oh man JEB Feb 2013 #207

Just because paid identities come here to espouse bad policy, blkmusclmachine Feb 2013 #208

first, define "paid identities".... tomp Feb 2013 #255

So, if I'm not against the drones, then... shenmue Feb 2013 #219

how many last straws does this make for you now? arely staircase Feb 2013 #225

When you continually show me by your actions that violence WHEN CRABS ROAR Feb 2013 #226

I regret ever voting for him alarimer Feb 2013 #229

Take heart ProSense Feb 2013 #231

Ha! I see what you did there! nt. OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #241

We are at war with Eastasia... awoke_in_2003 Feb 2013 #235

Is there a difference between a "breaking point" and a "line in the sand"?... SidDithers Feb 2013 #250

We JUST WON election - good grief. Is this really that bad?! Zax2me Feb 2013 #275

FFS-- we're LONG past the breaking point NoMoreWarNow Feb 2013 #279

Emphatic K&R! - n/t coalition_unwilling Feb 2013 #283

K & R! lonestarnot Feb 2013 #290

Obama is Boiling Us Slower Than dumbya triplepoint Feb 2013 #296

The truly sad thing is that Obama is smart and a Constitutional lawyer. emsimon33 Feb 2013 #301

K&R DeSwiss Feb 2013 #307

... Summer Hathaway Feb 2013 #310

This is the price of not impeaching Bush. No check on presidential war powers. aquart Feb 2013 #316

The arrogance of power always loses its way... kentuck Feb 2013 #329

There is moral and there is legal ... Blue4Texas Feb 2013 #330

There are many waypoints on this road upi402 Feb 2013 #337