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In reply to the discussion: Obama and Graham on the same bloody page. [View all]pinto
(106,886 posts)37. Again, just for accuracy's sake. re: Stanford/NYU report -
In contrast to more conservative U.S. statements, the Stanford/NYU report -- titled "Living Under Drones" -- offers starker figures published by The Bureau of Investigative Journalism, an independent organization based at City University in London.
"TBIJ reports that from June 2004 through mid-September 2012, available data indicate that drone strikes killed 2,562 - 3,325 people in Pakistan, of whom 474 - 881 were civilians, including 176 children. TBIJ reports that these strikes also injured an additional 1,228 - 1,362 individuals," according to the Stanford/NYU study.
"TBIJ reports that from June 2004 through mid-September 2012, available data indicate that drone strikes killed 2,562 - 3,325 people in Pakistan, of whom 474 - 881 were civilians, including 176 children. TBIJ reports that these strikes also injured an additional 1,228 - 1,362 individuals," according to the Stanford/NYU study.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/25/world/asia/pakistan-us-drone-strikes
This report is the result of nine months of research by the International Human Rights and Conflict Resolution Clinic of Stanford Law School (Stanford Clinic) and the Global Justice Clinic at New York University School of Law (NYU Clinic). Professor James Cavallaro and Clinical Lecturer Stephan Sonnenberg led the Stanford Clinic team; Professor Sarah Knuckey led the NYU Clinic team. Adelina Acuña, Mohammad M. Ali, Anjali Deshmukh, Jennifer Gibson, Jennifer Ingram, Dimitri Phillips, Wendy Salkin, and Omar Shakir were the student research team at Stanford; Christopher Holland was the student researcher from NYU. Supervisors Cavallaro, Sonnenberg, and Knuckey, as well as student researchers Acuña, Ali, Deshmukh, Gibson, Salkin, and Shakir participated in the fact-finding investigations to Pakistan.
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First, while civilian casualties are rarely acknowledged by the US government, there is significant evidence that US drone strikes have injured and killed civilians. In public statements, the US states that there have been no or single digit civilian casualties.[2] It is difficult to obtain data on strike casualties because of US efforts to shield the drone program from democratic accountability, compounded by the obstacles to independent investigation of strikes in North Waziristan. The best currently available public aggregate data on drone strikes are provided by The Bureau of Investigative Journalism (TBIJ), an independent journalist organization. TBIJ reports that from June 2004 through mid-September 2012, available data indicate that drone strikes killed 2,562-3,325 people in Pakistan, of whom 474-881 were civilians, including 176 children.[3] TBIJ reports that these strikes also injured an additional 1,228-1,362 individuals. Where media accounts do report civilian casualties, rarely is any information provided about the victims or the communities they leave behind. This report includes the harrowing narratives of many survivors, witnesses, and family members who provided evidence of civilian injuries and deaths in drone strikes to our research team. It also presents detailed accounts of three separate strikes, for which there is evidence of civilian deaths and injuries, including a March 2011 strike on a meeting of tribal elders that killed some 40 individuals.
http://livingunderdrones.org/report/
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Well, I'm assuming that you have the capability to read the first sentence of the post
MadHound
Feb 2013
#2
No, I am assuming the terrorists themselves would do damage in the other countries
graham4anything
Feb 2013
#11
The Madrid train bombings, the 7/11 plot, Mumbai? Those were because of the President? nt
msanthrope
Feb 2013
#22
And you wouldn't have supported a drone strike of Tora Bora in November of 2001? nt
msanthrope
Feb 2013
#25
How does one confuse Lindsey Graham and Barack Obama? The Rasmussen poll you
msanthrope
Feb 2013
#19
Both Obama and Graham support drone strikes, even if they are killing thousands of innocents,
MadHound
Feb 2013
#21
As I asked upthread would you have supported a drone strike at Tora Bora? nt
msanthrope
Feb 2013
#35
Just for accuracy's sake the figure is total number of people killed. Commondreams repackaged
pinto
Feb 2013
#29
Actually I think Graham's number is the closest to accurate that we can get at this point
MadHound
Feb 2013
#30
Custodial Nazi's, yes. Before surrender, we didn't give them a trial, nor did we have to.
msanthrope
Feb 2013
#17
No doubt, in this bastion of laws and justice, those who killed the innocents will stand trial.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Feb 2013
#20
ooh, he "hates that". well, then i guess all's well, so long as he expresses the perfunctory
HiPointDem
Feb 2013
#27
I see that most of the usual suspects showed up to misconstrue, misinterpret,
Egalitarian Thug
Feb 2013
#39