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37. Again, just for accuracy's sake. re: Stanford/NYU report -
Thu Feb 21, 2013, 04:01 PM
Feb 2013
In contrast to more conservative U.S. statements, the Stanford/NYU report -- titled "Living Under Drones" -- offers starker figures published by The Bureau of Investigative Journalism, an independent organization based at City University in London.

"TBIJ reports that from June 2004 through mid-September 2012, available data indicate that drone strikes killed 2,562 - 3,325 people in Pakistan, of whom 474 - 881 were civilians, including 176 children. TBIJ reports that these strikes also injured an additional 1,228 - 1,362 individuals," according to the Stanford/NYU study.


http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/25/world/asia/pakistan-us-drone-strikes


This report is the result of nine months of research by the International Human Rights and Conflict Resolution Clinic of Stanford Law School (Stanford Clinic) and the Global Justice Clinic at New York University School of Law (NYU Clinic). Professor James Cavallaro and Clinical Lecturer Stephan Sonnenberg led the Stanford Clinic team; Professor Sarah Knuckey led the NYU Clinic team. Adelina Acuña, Mohammad M. Ali, Anjali Deshmukh, Jennifer Gibson, Jennifer Ingram, Dimitri Phillips, Wendy Salkin, and Omar Shakir were the student research team at Stanford; Christopher Holland was the student researcher from NYU. Supervisors Cavallaro, Sonnenberg, and Knuckey, as well as student researchers Acuña, Ali, Deshmukh, Gibson, Salkin, and Shakir participated in the fact-finding investigations to Pakistan.

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First, while civilian casualties are rarely acknowledged by the US government, there is significant evidence that US drone strikes have injured and killed civilians. In public statements, the US states that there have been “no” or “single digit” civilian casualties.”[2] It is difficult to obtain data on strike casualties because of US efforts to shield the drone program from democratic accountability, compounded by the obstacles to independent investigation of strikes in North Waziristan. The best currently available public aggregate data on drone strikes are provided by The Bureau of Investigative Journalism (TBIJ), an independent journalist organization. TBIJ reports that from June 2004 through mid-September 2012, available data indicate that drone strikes killed 2,562-3,325 people in Pakistan, of whom 474-881 were civilians, including 176 children.[3] TBIJ reports that these strikes also injured an additional 1,228-1,362 individuals. Where media accounts do report civilian casualties, rarely is any information provided about the victims or the communities they leave behind. This report includes the harrowing narratives of many survivors, witnesses, and family members who provided evidence of civilian injuries and deaths in drone strikes to our research team. It also presents detailed accounts of three separate strikes, for which there is evidence of civilian deaths and injuries, including a March 2011 strike on a meeting of tribal elders that killed some 40 individuals.


http://livingunderdrones.org/report/


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Yes, I am on the same page as President Obama. graham4anything Feb 2013 #1
Well, I'm assuming that you have the capability to read the first sentence of the post MadHound Feb 2013 #2
but would others? graham4anything Feb 2013 #3
You know, just deal with it, I don't change my posts at your request. MadHound Feb 2013 #6
No, I am assuming the terrorists themselves would do damage in the other countries graham4anything Feb 2013 #11
You know what they say about ass u me. MadHound Feb 2013 #18
The Madrid train bombings, the 7/11 plot, Mumbai? Those were because of the President? nt msanthrope Feb 2013 #22
No, MadHound Feb 2013 #24
And you wouldn't have supported a drone strike of Tora Bora in November of 2001? nt msanthrope Feb 2013 #25
I'm not on the same page. onyourleft Feb 2013 #4
Results of Jury Service WilliamPitt Feb 2013 #5
Thanks Will, I do appreciate it immensely. MadHound Feb 2013 #8
Cheers. WilliamPitt Feb 2013 #10
"US Senator: I Support Drone Program That Has Killed 4,700 'Innocent People'" ProSense Feb 2013 #7
You better believe it. n/t JTFrog Feb 2013 #9
That's such a cute, substanceless piece of snark, MadHound Feb 2013 #16
How does one confuse Lindsey Graham and Barack Obama? The Rasmussen poll you msanthrope Feb 2013 #19
Both Obama and Graham support drone strikes, even if they are killing thousands of innocents, MadHound Feb 2013 #21
So are they the same? nt msanthrope Feb 2013 #23
As I stated before, they both support drone strikes. MadHound Feb 2013 #32
As I asked upthread would you have supported a drone strike at Tora Bora? nt msanthrope Feb 2013 #35
Yes, you did, very good, your memory is sharp today. MadHound Feb 2013 #36
I addressed it alright. JTFrog Feb 2013 #34
Where do you get "4700 innocent people" from? Recursion Feb 2013 #12
From the article, MadHound Feb 2013 #15
Just for accuracy's sake the figure is total number of people killed. Commondreams repackaged pinto Feb 2013 #29
Actually I think Graham's number is the closest to accurate that we can get at this point MadHound Feb 2013 #30
Again, just for accuracy's sake. re: Stanford/NYU report - pinto Feb 2013 #37
That's a round, rough figure. This being a thursday kenny blankenship Feb 2013 #13
So we were all for the Nuremberg trials choie Feb 2013 #14
Custodial Nazi's, yes. Before surrender, we didn't give them a trial, nor did we have to. msanthrope Feb 2013 #17
No doubt, in this bastion of laws and justice, those who killed the innocents will stand trial. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2013 #20
Oh look, it's this thread again...nt SidDithers Feb 2013 #26
You Better Believe It! nt msanthrope Feb 2013 #28
ooh, he "hates that". well, then i guess all's well, so long as he expresses the perfunctory HiPointDem Feb 2013 #27
Maybe the North Koreans would get him while he's visiting Baltimore...nt SidDithers Feb 2013 #31
What if the Russians took out Bill Gates, Arne Duncan msanthrope Feb 2013 #38
So, we've killed 4700 and SOME of them actually WERE bad guys. HereSince1628 Feb 2013 #33
I see that most of the usual suspects showed up to misconstrue, misinterpret, Egalitarian Thug Feb 2013 #39
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