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In reply to the discussion: Mass Media ignoring 'RFK Believed in Conspiracy' shows corrupt nature of America's Press [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)36. RFK, Jr. is no ''moron.'' Why would you call a liberal Democrat that and the other things, Archae?
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I heard him speak at my alma mater, Wayne State University in 2007.
Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. called George W Bush "that sonofabitch" and said the guy was a crook, turning over the government to the lobbyists and gangsters who've emptied our Treasury, polluted our water, land, air and children, and used humanity as cannon fodder and slave labor.
He also pegged ABCNNBCBSFoxNoiseNutwork for what they are. Among other things, he called Antonin Scalia the son of a Nazi and explained why. I would've taken notes, but I wanted to hear everything the guy said.
As for the rest of your "facts," Archae, you need to do some more reading. Start with the writings of law professor Donald E. Wilkes:
DESTINY BETRAYED:
THE CIA, OSWALD, AND
THE JFK ASSASSINATION
Published in Flagpole Magazine, p. 8 (Dec. 7, 2005).
Author: Donald E. Wilkes, Jr., Professor of Law, University of Georgia School of Law.
In place of the strong sense of faith in man and mankind, we now have a heavy feeling of a failed mission, of destiny betrayed and unfulfilled. Rav Alex Israel
The deepest cover story of the CIA is that it is an intelligence organization. Bulletin of the Federation of American Scientists
Today, 42 years after President John F. Kennedy was assassinated in Dealey Plaza in Dallas, Texas, on November 22, 1963, few responsible researchers who have studied JFKs murder accept the Warren Commissions main conclusion that Lee Harvey Oswald, acting alone, committed the crime. (The Warren Commission was the body appointed by President Lyndon B. Johnson to investigate the Kennedy assassination; it released its Report in September 1964.) As these researchers have shown again and again in scores of books and articles, evidence available to the Commission but improperly evaluated, erroneously rejected, or simply not pursued by that body, together with new evidence unavailable to the Commission, discredits the principal finding of the Warren Report. JFKs death was, these researchers believe, carried out by a conspiracy; it was not the act of a lone assassin. Different researchers, however, have different conspiracy theories. Conspiracy theorists also disagree about Oswald: some maintain that he was simply one of the conspirators; others claim that, while he was a member of the conspiracy, he was also unknowingly a dupe of the other conspirators who intended for him to be the fall guy; and still other theorists think that Oswald was a wholly innocent person set up by the conspirators as the patsy. Furthermore, the theorists who regard Oswald as a conspirator disagree as to whether he fired any of the shots in Dealey Plaza.
SNIP...
The theory that JFKs murder was engineered by the CIA (or by persons affiliated with the CIA), and that the CIA covered up its connections to the murder, warrants serious consideration and should not be peremptorily rejected. In the 1960s the CIA more resembled an untouchable crime syndicate than a legitimate government entity. Lavishly but secretly funded, unrestrained by public opinion, cloaked in secrecy, conducting whatever foreign or domestic clandestine operations it wished without regard to laws or morals, and specializing in deception, falsification, and mystification, the CIA was riddled at all levels with ruthless, cynical officials and employees who believed that they were above the law, that any means were justified to accomplish the goals they set for themselves, and that insofar as their surreptitious activities were concerned it was justifiable to lie with impunity to anyone, even presidents and legislators. Many of these individuals, thinking he was soft on communism, that he would reduce the size of the military industrial complex, and that he was to blame for the Bay of Pigs disaster (the failed CIA-sponsored invasion of Cuba in 1961), hated and despised Kennedy. The CIA routinely circumvented and defied attempts by the executive and legislative branches to monitor its activities. It was involved in innumerable unlawful or outrageous activities. It illegally opened the mail of Americans. It interfered with free elections in foreign countries and arranged to destabilize or overthrow the governments of other countries. It plotted the murder of various foreign leaders. It arranged to hire the Mafia to help with some of these proposed murder plots. It unlawfully storedin quantities, UGA political science professor Loch K. Johnson notes, sufficient to destroy the population of a small cityexotic toxic agents, including cobra venom and shellfish toxin, for the purpose of committing murders. It manufactured and used sinister lethal weaponry, including what Prof. Johnson calls the ultimate murder weapon, an electric handgun (the CIA called it a noise-free disseminator) with a telescopic sight which could noiselessly and accurately fire poison-tipped darts (the CIA called them nondiscernible microbioinoculators) up to a distance of 250 feet. It undoubtedly carried out multiple secret murders and other heinous crimes which it successfully kept hidden. Furthermore, it is now firmly established that after the JFK assassination the CIA simultaneously lied to, and withheld important information from, the Warren Commission.
One of the first serious investigators to raise credible claims that CIA operatives or ex-CIA operatives were involved in the JFK assassination was Jim Garrison, who served as the district attorney in New Orleans, Louisiana from 1962 to 1974. (A brief chronology of Garrisons life and investigation is set forth at the end of this article.) Garrison and his office investigated the assassination for about five years, from late 1966 until early 1971. His investigation led Garrison to believe that, regardless of whoever actually fired the shots in Dealey Plaza, the assassination was the result of a plot hatched in New Orleans by persons with CIA connections. Furthermore, Garrison concluded, following the assassination the CIA engaged in a coverup to protect itself and the assassins. Garrison brought to trial the only criminal proceeding in which someone was actually charged with involvement in the JFK assassination. Garrison wrote two important books, the first published in 1970, the second in 1988, in which he recounted his investigation and shared the important new facts he had discovered.
In the words of journalist Fred Powledge, who wrote a magazine article on Garrison published in 1967, Garrison thought that the assassins were CIA employees who were angered at President Kennedys posture on Cuba following the Bay of Pigs disaster, and that the CIA was frustrating his investigation, although the agency knew the whereabouts of the assassins. Philosophy professor Richard H. Popkin, in another magazine article published in 1967, summarized Garrisons views on the assassination as follows: The thesis Garrison has set forth is that a group of New Orleans-based, anti-Castroites, supported and/or encouraged by the CIA in their anti-Castro activities, in the late summer or early fall of 1963 conspired to assassinate John F. Kennedy. This group, according to Garrison, included (Clay) Shaw, (David) Ferrie, (Lee Harvey) Oswald, ... and others, including Cuban exiles and American anti-Castroites.... (T)heir plan was executed in Dallas on November 22, 1963. At least part of their motivation ... was their reaction to Kennedys decisions at the Bay of Pigs and the changes in U.S. policy toward Cuba following the missiles crisis of 1962.
In a 1967 interview, Garrison himself phrased his basic conclusions this way: (A) number of the men who killed the President were former employees of the CIA involved in its anti-Castro underground activities in and around New Orleans.... We must assume that the plotters were acting on their own rather than on CIA orders when they killed the President. As far as we been able to determine, they were not on the pay of the CIA at the time of the assassination.... The CIA could not face up to the American people and admit that its former employees had conspired to assassinate the President, so from the moment Kennedys heart stopped beating, the Agency attempted to sweep the whole conspiracy under the rug.... In this respect, it has become an accessory after the fact in the assassination.
CONTINUED...
http://www.law.uga.edu/dwilkes_more/jfk_22destiny.html
Prof. Wilkes' bibiliography is an excellent survey of what was available at the time of his writing that article. Several new works have been published since. I'll try to get back and recommend them to you when I get the time.
Remember: Readers are leaders. Those who believe the tee vee go along with wars in Iraq and Vietnam and wherever else its profitable.
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Mass Media ignoring 'RFK Believed in Conspiracy' shows corrupt nature of America's Press [View all]
Octafish
Feb 2013
OP
Mass media has been ignoring lots of inconvenient truths. For a long time. nt
kelliekat44
Mar 2013
#289
Yet run-away-brides and other such "news" must be investigated and theorized at every angle.
shcrane71
Feb 2013
#59
Who reported JFK ordered CIA, Joint Chiefs to shelve first-strike nuclear war plans for 1963?
Octafish
Feb 2013
#213
Until I looked out the window on the actual floor I thought the shot was impossible. Now I know.....
Logical
Feb 2013
#5
Ever read Craig Roberts' book, "Kill Zone: A Sniper Looks at Dealey Plaza"?....
OldDem2012
Feb 2013
#21
Many people have recreated this shot with no trouble at all. Here is some descriptions....
Logical
Feb 2013
#42
I'll stick with the statements made by guys who were actual snipers and had performed under less....
OldDem2012
Feb 2013
#45
People love thinking a lone gunman could not do this. It scares them. But it is the truth. n-t
Logical
Feb 2013
#46
Funny, I thought we were discussing the JFK assassination. If you want to discuss....
OldDem2012
Feb 2013
#69
So the single bullet theory is what your whole argument is based on? Really? Because I can....
Logical
Feb 2013
#103
How sad for you that you actually believe Specter's Folly. Good luck and so long! nt.
OldDem2012
Feb 2013
#136
Oswald had a Top Secret Crypto clearance at the time he was stationed in Japan as....
OldDem2012
Mar 2013
#286
JFK wore a back brace....that kept him upright in the limo. Additionally, I don't see JFK waving
OldDem2012
Feb 2013
#70
I'm sorry, I guess JFK didn't get the memo as to what he should do with his arm. nt.
OldDem2012
Feb 2013
#83
Yeah....that would ruin that whole Warren Commission thing, wouldn't it? nt.
OldDem2012
Feb 2013
#138
Ah, yes, the same HSCA report that ultimately concluded that there were at least two shooters,
MadHound
Feb 2013
#97
The same HSCA report which concluded that Oswald fired all the shots which struck JFK
nyquil_man
Feb 2013
#107
You are incorrect. The HSCA later changed their opinion after seeing new evidence
sabrina 1
Feb 2013
#171
LOL, did you read the links to the source? Or does the source thing confuse you? And.....
Logical
Feb 2013
#102
You were quoting Wikipedia, not the sources that may or may not have been used
MadHound
Feb 2013
#104
I'd rather be open-minded about political assassinations than whatever it is you claim to be. nt.
OldDem2012
Feb 2013
#140
What cracks me up are the Conspiracy Theorists who believe in the Magic Bullet
sabrina 1
Feb 2013
#161
None of the conspiracy theories deny Oswald was at that location & shot at JFK.
Honeycombe8
Feb 2013
#81
OK, LOL, maybe 5 feet to the right of it. VISUALIZE. Here is a photo for you. Your issue..
Logical
Mar 2013
#324
RFK, Jr. is no ''moron.'' Why would you call a liberal Democrat that and the other things, Archae?
Octafish
Feb 2013
#36
+1. Thanks for taking up for a fine, intelligent man. A bit of an activist, but other than that,
Honeycombe8
Feb 2013
#84
That picture of Porter Goss and the company he keeps is quite telling and frightening.
Octafish
Mar 2013
#293
Lets face it, people LOVE conspiracy's. A lone gunman is boring. A huge government......
Logical
Feb 2013
#4
Oliver Stone is a nutcase, IMO. Still, Oswald had a friend involved with the mob.
Honeycombe8
Feb 2013
#87
You don't know? Have you ever watched any of the numerous documentaries on the assassination or
Honeycombe8
Feb 2013
#90
Gee, I wonder if this will turn into yet another "Who shot JFK" conspiracy theory post?...
SidDithers
Feb 2013
#6
Why was it pulled from vaccines? Because of the sort of irrational fear RFK Jr was stoking.
Spider Jerusalem
Feb 2013
#89
And uses, again, the flimisiest of pretexts to talk about a fifty year old crime that was solved
apocalypsehow
Feb 2013
#139
A can of tuna contains 2 1/2 times as much mercury as a vaccine with thimerosal...
SidDithers
Feb 2013
#182
I couldn't find where the FDA said there's a link between thimerosal and autism...
SidDithers
Feb 2013
#186
The FDA is concerned about the link between mercury levels and neuropathology...
AntiFascist
Feb 2013
#191
I'd love to see this, but there's no way that staunch corporatist Charlie Rose
amandabeech
Feb 2013
#7
But most of the population believes that JFK's assassination was a conspiracy, regardless.
HiPointDem
Feb 2013
#10
In 1964 Britain, Lord Bertrand Russell asked about the failure of the press...
Octafish
Feb 2013
#33
Bertrand Russell, one of the century's greatest philosophers & mathematicians?
JackRiddler
Feb 2013
#71
"Respectable people" like those who have much to hide? The same folks who are enmeshed....
OldDem2012
Feb 2013
#40
Bill Moyers: '... it is quite revealing that it's Oliver Stone that's forcing Congress to open up...
Octafish
Feb 2013
#34
American mass media are tools of propaganda for the State (read: Ownership Class)
Octafish
Feb 2013
#58
Betsy lewis: so ignorant she doesn't know it's "Hear, hear" not "Here, here".
HiPointDem
Feb 2013
#25
How long do you really think the hit team lived after completing their task in Dealey Plaza? nt.
OldDem2012
Feb 2013
#51
I don't care if even one person didn't agree with me, lynne. I'll continue to post on JFK, RFK, MLK.
Octafish
Feb 2013
#199
Thank you. Your posts are important and significant to many thinking people.
AnotherMcIntosh
Feb 2013
#201
you can write that with a straight face? anderson fucking vanderbilt cooper did hours on
HiPointDem
Mar 2013
#285
The fact that it was that film that began to cause many people to begin doubting
sabrina 1
Feb 2013
#172
Yes, conspirators are annoying. They let others tell them stories about what happened in
sabrina 1
Feb 2013
#210
Your entire comment is based on a personal opinion that anyone who dares to ask
sabrina 1
Feb 2013
#221
It is most troubling, seeing the way history has unfolded since that terrible day.
Octafish
Feb 2013
#134
If the geometry works, why did WC member and FBI spy Gerald Ford have to alter the report?
Octafish
Feb 2013
#216
Was that the photo Regis BLAHUT was looking at? The guy CIA had at HSCA before George Joannides?
Octafish
Mar 2013
#237
Nothing to laugh at, William Seger. Ford was FBI stooge who obstructed justice.
Octafish
Mar 2013
#243
And using computers, Peter Jackson can make cave trolls act like real live creatures,
MadHound
Feb 2013
#95
The computer-generated view from the TSBD if the Secret Service had stayed on the car...
Octafish
Feb 2013
#119
You're using an article written for the LA Times as a rebuttal? Really?? nt.
OldDem2012
Feb 2013
#143
Excerpts from the book "JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters"
Ghost Dog
Mar 2013
#302
My observation is that the more people are silenced, the more curious they become
sabrina 1
Feb 2013
#99
Right wingers, like the Bush gang eg. See Octafish's links in his response to me.
sabrina 1
Feb 2013
#159
Well, put it this way. I would believe the Democratic Kennedy kids over the lying,
sabrina 1
Feb 2013
#170
Yes, if it doesn't matter, why does it matter? The most obvious explanation is that it involves CIA.
patrice
Feb 2013
#127
OR...this was fifty years ago, and the Public (and media) are focused on more topical matters...
brooklynite
Feb 2013
#155
Such as: L.A. County coroner changes Natalie Wood's cause of death (31 years)
johnnyreb
Feb 2013
#156
You mean like what the Kardashians are doing lately? Yes, you are certainly correct
sabrina 1
Feb 2013
#160
'The web keeps the story alive.' Thank you for the heads-up. Here's a bit more from Bill Kelly...
Octafish
Feb 2013
#198
“A smart researcher might come in and see some connections that the government doesn’t,”
doublethink
Feb 2013
#205
Immediately after the assassination, government agencies were specifically directed...
AntiFascist
Feb 2013
#208
Thanks for pointing out the abuses within the criminal justice system doublethink...
AntiFascist
Mar 2013
#251
Dallas County District Attorney Henry Wade was poised to profit off JFK files
Octafish
Mar 2013
#254
Not help U.S. citizens make vital public choices? Like choosing Democrats over Republicans?
AntiFascist
Feb 2013
#178
It is possible to 'regiment the public mind every bit as much as an army regiments their bodies.'
Octafish
Feb 2013
#209
Chomsky credits Alex Carey. For some reason, re Dallas, he agrees with Alexander Coburn.
Octafish
Mar 2013
#229
Groden told the truth to the HSCA. What you post is from the OJ trial. That's disingenuous.
Octafish
Mar 2013
#269
Here's someone to know: Secret Service Agent Abraham Bolden, the first African American on WH Detail
Octafish
Mar 2013
#271
“It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on..."
MinM
Mar 2013
#320
@johnsimkin: Cartha (Deke) DeLoach, the man who helped LBJ cover-up the assassination of JFK...
MinM
Mar 2013
#327
Maybe I should of ended the above post with "Oh wait" ... or something like that.
doublethink
Mar 2013
#258
Your list of names and the pdf file found with the link is very interesting.
AnotherMcIntosh
Mar 2013
#303
"out there" is apparently some kind of word code for politicians & staff, msm, because "it can't
bobthedrummer
Mar 2013
#246
What theory? RFK's kids expressed their father's thoughts that the assassins are at large.
Octafish
Mar 2013
#312