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ProSense

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Sat Apr 13, 2013, 06:54 PM
Apr 2013
In the words of Indigo Montoyo,"I do not think it means what you think it means" when you use the word "fact".

It is not a "fact" that the ACA was "real reform". It is your "opinion". It is my "opinion" that not only is the ACA not "real reform", but the ACA is 180 degrees from "real reform" since it permanently institutionalizes what I believe is the rot at the core of our health care system -- private insurance companies and the profit motive.

The only "fact" consists of the fact that Omaha pursued and ultimately signed the ACA which is not primarily a health care bill but an insurance bill. He did not pursue single payer and ultimately did not even get the health care bill he campaigned on which was NO MANDATE and public option. This might have led to single payer federal insurance.

As a fact, the ACA does not expand life-saving care, it mandates that US citizens buy private insurance. Whether that insurance gives more life saving care than emergency rooms remains to be seen. It does make sure that hospitals get paid.

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...to be confusing your opinion with fact. (emphasis added above) Dismissing facts and asserting that your opinion is fact doesn't make it so.

Fact: DNC Speaker Stacy Lihn: Obamacare ‘Is Saving My Daughter’s Life’
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101754938

Fact: Here’s one way Obamacare changed today
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251288922

Fact: Rules finalized for the good stuff in Obamacare
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022415967

Facts:

Who Benefits from the ACA Medicaid Expansion?

A key element of the Affordable Care Act (ACA) is the expansion of Medicaid to nearly all individuals with incomes up to 138 percent of the federal poverty level (FPL) ($15,415 for an individual; $26,344 for a family of three in 2012) in 2014. Medicaid currently provides health coverage for over 60 million individuals, including 1 in 4 children, but low parent eligibility levels and restrictions in eligibility for other adults mean that many low income individuals remain uninsured. The ACA expands coverage by setting a national Medicaid eligibility floor for nearly all groups. By 2016, Medicaid, along with the Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP), will cover an additional 17 million individuals, mostly low-income adults, leading to a significant reduction in the number of uninsured people.

Medicaid does not cover many low-income adults today. To qualify for Medicaid prior to health reform, individuals had to meet financial eligibility criteria and belong to one of the following specific groups: children, parents, pregnant women, people with severe disability, and seniors. Non-disabled adults without dependent children were generally excluded from Medicaid unless the state obtained a waiver to cover them. The federal government sets minimum eligibility levels for each category, which are up to 133% FPL for pregnant women and children but are much lower for parents (under 50% FPL in most states). States have the option to expand coverage to higher incomes, but Medicaid eligibility levels for adults remain very limited (Figure 1). Seventeen states limit Medicaid coverage to parents earning less than 50 percent of poverty ($9,545 for a family of 3), and only eight states provide full Medicaid coverage to other low-income adults. State-by state Medicaid eligibility levels for parents and other adults are available here.



The ACA expands Medicaid to a national floor of 138% of poverty ($15,415 for an individual; $26,344 for a family of three). The threshold is 133% FPL, but 5% of an individual’s income is disregarded, effectively raising the limit to 138% FPL. The expansion of coverage will make many low-income adults newly eligible for Medicaid and reduce the current variation in eligibility levels across states. To preserve the current base of coverage, states must also maintain minimum eligibility levels in place as of March 2010, when the law was signed. This requirement remains in effect until 2014 for adults and 2019 for children. Under the ACA, states also have the option to expand coverage early to low-income adults prior to 2014. To date, eight states (CA, CT, CO, DC, MN, MO, NJ and WA) have taken up this option to extend Medicaid to adults. Nearly all of these states previously provided solely state- or county-funded coverage to some low-income adults. By moving these adults to Medicaid and obtaining federal financing, these states were able to maintain and, in some cases, expand coverage. Together these early expansions covered over half a million adults as of April 2012.

Eligibility requirements for the elderly and persons with disabilities do not change under reform although some individuals with disabilities may become newly eligible under the adult expansion. Lawfully residing immigrants will be eligible for the Medicaid expansion, although many will continue to be subject to a five-year waiting period before they may enroll in coverage. States have the option to eliminate this five-year waiting period for children and pregnant women but not for other adults. Undocumented immigrants will remain ineligible for Medicaid.

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http://www.kff.org/medicaid/quicktake_aca_medicaid.cfm


Long before this Supreme Court decision, through the Affordable Care Act, seniors began to see positive changes in their prescription drug costs, access to preventive health care, and more. Thanks to the Supreme Court’s decision the following provisions will continue to be provided to seniors:

Medicare Improvements

The ACA contains several important improvements to the Medicare program, many of which are already helping seniors today.

1) Closing the donut hole

a. Medicare Part D covers the cost of medications up to a certain point. Between that point, and a catastrophic coverage threshold, the older adult must pay out of pocket for medication (this gap in coverage is often called the Part D “donut hole”). One in four beneficiaries fall in this gap, and end up paying an average of $3,610 out of pocket on drug expenses.

b. The ACA requires drug manufacturers to reduce prices for Medicare enrollees in the donut hole. Beginning in 2011, brand‐name drug manufacturers must provide a 50% discount on brand‐name and biologic drugs for Part D enrollees in the donut hole. By 2013, Medicare will begin to provide an additional discount on brand‐name and biologic drugs for enrollees in the donut hole. By 2020, Part D enrollees will be responsible for only 25% of donut hole drug costs.

c. This is a benefit seniors are getting now, and will continue to get as a result of this decision.

2) Improving senior’s access to preventive medical services

a. Prior to the ACA, Medicare beneficiaries were required to pay a deductible and 20% copay for many preventive health services.

b. The ACA eliminated cost‐sharing for many preventive services and introduced an annual wellness visit for beneficiaries.

c. The ACA also eliminated cost‐sharing for screening services, like mammograms, Pap smears, bone mass measurements, depression screening, diabetes screening, HIV screening and obesity screenings.

d. This is a benefit seniors are getting now, and will continue to get as a result of this decision.

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http://www.ncpssm.org/Portals/0/pdf/aca-analysis.pdf


MEDICARE’S FINANCIAL CONDITION

Medicare’s financial condition is measured in several ways, including the solvency of the Part A Trust Fund, the annual growth in spending, and growth in spending on a per capita basis. Average annual growth in total Medicare spending is projected to be 6.6% between 2010 and 2019, but 3.5% on a per capita basis (assuming no reduction in physician fees).

The Part A Trust Fund is projected to be depleted in 2024— eight years longer than in the absence of the health reform law—at which point Medicare would not have sufficient funds to pay full benefits, even though revenue flows into the Trust Fund each year. Part A Trust Fund solvency is affected by growth in the economy, which directly affects revenue from payroll tax contributions, and by demographic trends: an increasing number of beneficiaries, especially between 2010 and 2030 when the baby boom generation reaches Medicare eligibility age, and a declining ratio of workers per beneficiary making payroll contributions (Figure 4).

http://www.kff.org/medicare/upload/7305-06.pdf



You: "Last, I hope you are joking if you think a future single payer system would be Obama's legacy. Obama's legacy is the ACA. If sometime in the future, politicians and the Country decide to replace the ACA with a single payer system it will be those future people's legacies. Pointing out that one state has rejected the ACA approach and will implement a single payer system is not Obama's doing. His system and legacy is a system of mandated private insurance."

You found the fact that Vermont's single payer system will be federally funded through the ACA to be a joke?

Vermont also intends to be the first state in the U.S. with a single-payer health-care system, in which the government pays all of its residents’ medical bills and insurance companies are unnecessary. The state legislature passed a law in 2011 to steer the state toward adopting such a system in 2017, the soonest possible under the federal health-care law.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-04-01/vermont-s-first-look-at-insurance-exchange-rates-shows-savings.html


In her study, Grubb points out that Vermont created the Green Mountain Care Board to slow the rising cost of health care. She says administrators have worked to reduce redundancy and improve transparency, while developing a state-exchange that will be 100 percent federally funded.

http://www.vpr.net/news_detail/98021/study-states-learn-from-vermonts-health-care-refor/


Still, you're right that ACA will be President Obama's legacy.

Why Republicans are So Intent on Killing Health Care Reform

by Richard Kirsch

It’s not just about expanded care. It’s about proving our government can be a force for the common good.

Why are John Boehner, Eric Cantor and Mitch McConnell so intent on stopping health care reform from ever taking hold? For the same reason that Republicans and the corporate Right spent more than $200 million in the last year to demonize health care in swing Congressional districts. It wasn’t just about trying to stop the bill from becoming law or taking over Congress. It is because health reform, if it takes hold, will create a bond between the American people and government, just as Social Security and Medicare have done. Democrats, and all those who believe that government has a positive place in our lives, should remember how much is at stake as Republicans and corporate elites try to use their electoral victory to dismantle the new health care law.

My enjoyment of the MLB playoffs last month was interrupted by ads run by Karl Rove’s Crossroads front group against upstate New York Rep. Scott Murphy, who was defeated last Tuesday. Rove’s ads rained accusations on Murphy, including the charge of a “government takeover of health care.” Some might have thought that once the public option was removed from the health care legislation, Republicans couldn’t make that charge. But it was never tied to the public option or any other specific reform. Republicans and their allies, following the advice of message guru Frank Luntz, were going to call whatever Democrats proposed a government takeover.

There’s nothing new here. Throughout American history, health care reform has been attacked as socialist. An editorial published in the Journal of the American Medical Association in December 1932, just after FDR’s election, claimed that proposals for compulsory insurance “were socialism and communism — inciting to revolution.” The PR firm that the American Medical Association hired to fight Truman’s push for national health insurance succeeded in popularizing a completely concocted quote that it attributed to Vladimir Lenin: “Socialized medicine is the keystone to the arch of the Socialist State.”

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President Obama and Democrats in Congress understood the historical importance and profound moral underpinnings of the new health care law when they enacted it earlier this year. And they knew that the right-wing attack had soured the public in swing Congressional districts and states on reform. They stood up then. They will have to stand up again, understanding that if they give way to Republicans, they lose more than the expansion of health coverage. They lose the best opportunity in half a century to prove to Americans that government can be a force for the common good.

http://www.nextnewdeal.net/why-republicans-are-so-intent-killing-health-care-reform

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So - the poor and middle class can afford to take a hit? djean111 Apr 2013 #1
Where the hell did I say that? ProSense Apr 2013 #2
He thinks that is what you mean in your OP Rex Apr 2013 #3
What I said is, to me, the logical point of your showing The List. djean111 Apr 2013 #4
That's your logic. n/t ProSense Apr 2013 #6
It is ether logical or it is not. zeemike Apr 2013 #46
Some people ProSense Apr 2013 #49
What does logical have to do with putting words in someones mouth Life Long Dem Apr 2013 #54
Nothing that i know of. zeemike Apr 2013 #63
Weren't you suggesting that Obama wouldn't be touching chanined CPI R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2013 #189
Thank you for putting this together, ProSense. Control-Z Apr 2013 #5
For some reason the Rec button isn't working. But K & R. Great data, as always. freshwest Apr 2013 #170
Post removed Post removed Apr 2013 #7
You are always ProSense Apr 2013 #8
Sure.. sendero Apr 2013 #155
Working Family Tax Credits Kept Nearly 10 Million People Out Of Poverty 2011 ProSense Apr 2013 #10
Tax cuts as cure-all for mankind AgingAmerican Apr 2013 #33
Why? ProSense Apr 2013 #50
Tax cuts = FAIL for America AgingAmerican Apr 2013 #52
EITC = Much needed help for low-income Americans. n/t ProSense Apr 2013 #53
Boiling Frog Syndrome - Have You Become a Boiled Frog? AgingAmerican Apr 2013 #55
Are you ProSense Apr 2013 #56
the making work pay credit helped lower income people treestar Apr 2013 #200
Tax cuts are the weakest possible stimulus AgingAmerican Apr 2013 #203
But he helped the rich even more - Income gap between rich, middle class, and poor widens Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2013 #9
*applause* cali Apr 2013 #11
LOL! ProSense Apr 2013 #15
Nice chart, especially ProSense Apr 2013 #13
So did Marie Antoinette Rilgin Apr 2013 #42
Well, ProSense Apr 2013 #43
facts or opinion Rilgin Apr 2013 #153
Very good and well reasoned post Progressive dog Apr 2013 #157
You appear ProSense Apr 2013 #160
You must be a King Crimson fan (Confusion will be your epitaph). Rilgin Apr 2013 #162
It seems to me ProSense Apr 2013 #163
Up is down and all is for the best in the best of all bills Rilgin Apr 2013 #164
That's a problem ProSense Apr 2013 #166
Great post, Rilgin truebluegreen Apr 2013 #60
yes Obama did something hfojvt Apr 2013 #137
The rich get Social Security, but they pay much if not all of it back in JDPriestly Apr 2013 #144
what I am saying is this hfojvt Apr 2013 #146
Yes. I totally agree with you on that. Thanks. Good points. JDPriestly Apr 2013 #147
the making work pay credit hfojvt Apr 2013 #150
Many thanks for the graphs and charts! byeya Apr 2013 #14
That was the trajectory of wealth inequality way before Obama ever took his first oath. phleshdef Apr 2013 #16
The gap is widening, not narrowing. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2013 #19
No one denies that. But thats because of exactly what I just said. phleshdef Apr 2013 #22
Another good article: ProSense Apr 2013 #23
Why do you hate the wealthy? Don't you see that a rising tide raises all boats? EOTE Apr 2013 #39
Sometimes that rising tide crashes some boats onto the shore Art_from_Ark Apr 2013 #117
Thank you. What a load of bull this chocolate ration talk is. woo me with science Apr 2013 #47
Newsflash: ProSense Apr 2013 #48
Alan Grayson: 170 Democrats need to get primaried woo me with science Apr 2013 #81
What does ProSense Apr 2013 #83
That's hilarious... ljm2002 Apr 2013 #109
she's getting her ass kicked, and that is a deflection Skittles Apr 2013 #114
Wake up, you're dreaming. n/t ProSense Apr 2013 #118
I am ALWAYS awake all night Skittles Apr 2013 #120
Maybe ProSense Apr 2013 #115
I did check it... ljm2002 Apr 2013 #129
Maybe you should ProSense Apr 2013 #132
"Besides, the links are irrelevant". ljm2002 Apr 2013 #135
OK, ProSense Apr 2013 #136
Well the first reply in that thread... ljm2002 Apr 2013 #139
Wait ProSense Apr 2013 #141
You were asking what was the relevance of the link... ljm2002 Apr 2013 #143
"Still, the links related to decades of inequality "... ljm2002 Apr 2013 #151
Yup. I often post the body of a piece and then edit the links in immediately afterward woo me with science Apr 2013 #133
I use tabs when referring to other pages... ljm2002 Apr 2013 #134
excellent post/response Carolina Apr 2013 #176
++ Good! Newest Reality Apr 2013 #152
+1 leftstreet Apr 2013 #95
agree.. n/t EC Apr 2013 #12
We needed an FDR, but got an LBJ... Taverner Apr 2013 #17
I wish we would have gotten an LBJ tularetom Apr 2013 #30
1st term was LBJ-ish Taverner Apr 2013 #31
No - First term more Neville Chamberlain dflprincess Apr 2013 #80
Thank you! Carolina Apr 2013 #178
No offense, but . . . HughBeaumont Apr 2013 #18
None taken. ProSense Apr 2013 #25
Yes, but that's a rather low bar. Just saying. n/t markpkessinger Apr 2013 #68
He did extend unemployment benefits to 99 weeks... kentuck Apr 2013 #20
Thanks, Prosense. Whisp Apr 2013 #21
Concur. madamesilverspurs Apr 2013 #24
Good Read Mr Dixon Apr 2013 #27
Well said, Whisp. The fact that we have endured this idiotic panicking bullshit on the same topic Number23 Apr 2013 #76
Being angry is not synonymous with panicking... ljm2002 Apr 2013 #113
And as the president's zombie horde of mindless detractors constantly remind us Number23 Apr 2013 #119
I used the term "Obama's rah rah team"... ljm2002 Apr 2013 #131
That's a negative for the intervening presidents, not a plus for Obama. (nt) jeff47 Apr 2013 #26
He's not ProSense Apr 2013 #28
I'm saying the minimal help he's provided should be considered the floor jeff47 Apr 2013 #29
And I'm saying ProSense Apr 2013 #32
You're arguing that the intervening presidents were bad jeff47 Apr 2013 #35
Actually, ProSense Apr 2013 #37
Then how come I'm feeling so much poorer? Cleita Apr 2013 #34
True ProSense Apr 2013 #45
DU Rec...nt SidDithers Apr 2013 #36
Taking More From Seniors and Disabled Doesn't Fit That Narative usGovOwesUs3Trillion Apr 2013 #38
Welcome to DU ProSense Apr 2013 #40
Welcome to DUusGovOwesUS3Trillion! hrmjustin Apr 2013 #51
Could be, but all that water swirling around is the sound of the toilet flushing it all away Jersey Devil Apr 2013 #41
I think ProSense Apr 2013 #44
LOL, Ok, here comes the PR to try to make the SS complaints go away. Have you made ONE POST.... Logical Apr 2013 #57
Why ProSense Apr 2013 #58
I respond to lots of posts. Don't give yourself so much credit. I am shocked..... Logical Apr 2013 #59
Hey ProSense Apr 2013 #61
Hey..... Logical Apr 2013 #62
What does ProSense Apr 2013 #65
Sometimes your posts make no sense. Like this one. But your laughing icon is really clever. n-t Logical Apr 2013 #67
Speaking of ProSense Apr 2013 #69
Look on the bright side. I am kicking your posts so you don't have to! Win Win for you. n-t Logical Apr 2013 #70
Thanks, and kick! ProSense Apr 2013 #74
Where did you go? n/t ProSense Apr 2013 #75
I watched a movie with kids. We can fight more tomorrow! :-) Logical Apr 2013 #89
WHY? Lady Freedom Returns Apr 2013 #177
Because blind support of all policy is as bad a complaining about everything Obama does. n-t Logical Apr 2013 #184
He wants the poor to die slowly (opposite of what Grayson said about R's) IfPalinisAnswerWatsQ Apr 2013 #64
Actually, ProSense Apr 2013 #66
You missed the point IfPalinisAnswerWatsQ Apr 2013 #72
Get real Carolina Apr 2013 #71
Maybe ProSense Apr 2013 #73
health reform? Carolina Apr 2013 #183
My goodness the meme's just keep on coming tonight. The dust hasn't settled on this yet.. kickysnana Apr 2013 #77
OK ProSense Apr 2013 #79
"our freedom and safety nets from this President"? Kolesar Apr 2013 #179
The screamers on DU don't pay attention to facts which don't support their narrow view of bluestate10 Apr 2013 #78
+1 LOVE Bernie Sanders, but it takes more than just being right. nt patrice Apr 2013 #82
No, they're not looking for facts, they're looking for fights Kolesar Apr 2013 #180
Yeah, but the Karl Marx's and Che's on the board demand instant utopia tabasco Apr 2013 #84
wow what a condescending comment.. bowens43 Apr 2013 #105
I don't think so, and I'm probably one of the biggest believers in socialism here. freshwest Apr 2013 #174
daaamn. red baiting isn't just for freepers anymore! boilerbabe Apr 2013 #158
Viva la revolucion !! tabasco Apr 2013 #161
K&R, ProSense! sheshe2 Apr 2013 #85
Pathetic. duffyduff Apr 2013 #86
You mean ProSense Apr 2013 #87
Another thing, ProSense Apr 2013 #88
So did you join simply to bash the President? DainBramaged Apr 2013 #96
Also ProSense Apr 2013 #100
Thank you. 840high Apr 2013 #121
totally agree, DuffyDuff Carolina Apr 2013 #175
Highest poverty rate since the 1960s, high unemployment LittleBlue Apr 2013 #90
Bush did A LOT of damage and is taking a lot of time to fix. Lady Freedom Returns Apr 2013 #92
Like I said, ProSense Apr 2013 #93
And if Obama's proposed chained CPI became reality LittleBlue Apr 2013 #94
Well, ProSense Apr 2013 #97
I thought the OP was about the poor and middle class? LittleBlue Apr 2013 #101
The OP ProSense Apr 2013 #104
OK, then it should be fair if I mention his proposed policies LittleBlue Apr 2013 #111
Again, you don't think the Republicans had nothing to do with the poverty rate, debt, war DainBramaged Apr 2013 #99
Of course they did LittleBlue Apr 2013 #102
My God it's all Obama's fault DainBramaged Apr 2013 #106
Did someone force him to propose chained CPI? LittleBlue Apr 2013 #112
Well, ProSense Apr 2013 #127
So the Republicans are faultless here? DainBramaged Apr 2013 #98
Kick! I Rec'ed it earlier! Lady Freedom Returns Apr 2013 #91
LOL! So are you a DLC operative? bowens43 Apr 2013 #103
LOL! Is that the stupidest question of the day? ProSense Apr 2013 #107
There was a direct question, and to counter it R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2013 #190
And you're a FAUX News advocate? DainBramaged Apr 2013 #108
Bullshit! And I don't need pretty charts and links, just ask the local homeless shelters, foodbanks Purveyor Apr 2013 #110
WTH? ProSense Apr 2013 #116
It's dismal. I volunteer 840high Apr 2013 #122
Ask those ProSense Apr 2013 #124
Oh. many of us still support Obama. Lady Freedom Returns Apr 2013 #167
So that means he can cut Social Security, food stamps, veterans' JDPriestly Apr 2013 #123
No, and it doesn't imply that anywhere in the OP. ProSense Apr 2013 #125
Then what is the point in the OP? JDPriestly Apr 2013 #128
Wait, ProSense Apr 2013 #130
Saying you did more to help the poor and poverty than any president JDPriestly Apr 2013 #138
That makes ProSense Apr 2013 #140
Wonderful response, JDPriestly Carolina Apr 2013 #185
Oh I can't wait for the charts and graphs from Daily Kos to refute your claims, with maybe a NYT Purveyor Apr 2013 #126
his record only looks positive hfojvt Apr 2013 #142
You continue ProSense Apr 2013 #145
I did the math hfojvt Apr 2013 #148
No ProSense Apr 2013 #156
That's all well and good TransitJohn Apr 2013 #149
Yes, ProSense Apr 2013 #159
is my family better off under obama than lbj? madrchsod Apr 2013 #154
Thanks for doing this, ProSense Hekate Apr 2013 #165
You once told me that, if Obama tried to cut SS, you'd no longer support him. /nt Marr Apr 2013 #168
I have abandoned him because of a proposal. You? n/t ProSense Apr 2013 #169
Is this where you suggest that it was just a harmless proposal? R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2013 #195
It is interesting watching the narrative/spin evolve usGovOwesUs3Trillion Apr 2013 #172
I believe that I remember reading that same line around January. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2013 #191
Reality check: Fire Walk With Me Apr 2013 #171
That has nothing to do with the OP. n/t ProSense Apr 2013 #173
nobody's forcing you to "breathe" in here Kolesar Apr 2013 #182
I've already marched outside with Occupy. We are still correct regarding the banksters behind Fire Walk With Me Apr 2013 #205
My brother would have qualified for Medicaid had he lived Kolesar Apr 2013 #181
Perpetuating the Privatization our Healthcare is not helping the Poor or Middleclass usGovOwesUs3Trillion Apr 2013 #186
so true, the ACA is Carolina Apr 2013 #187
Thank you Carolina usGovOwesUs3Trillion Apr 2013 #188
Can you ProSense Apr 2013 #193
Helped the poor and middle class out of their homes, you mean. Octafish Apr 2013 #192
Federal Mortgage Program Extended ProSense Apr 2013 #194
Perhaps you should set Elizabeth Warren straight then. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2013 #196
There's no ProSense Apr 2013 #197
I take it then if there is no need to "set Elizabeth straight" R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2013 #202
No. That's different. This involves millions of INNOCENT people who lost their homes to BANKSTERS. Octafish Apr 2013 #211
We are living in the best of times and the worst of times . . . SleeplessinSoCal Apr 2013 #198
good thing Leo Ryan's already dead... MisterP Apr 2013 #199
Strange you are on a Democratic Board treestar Apr 2013 #201
TLDR RetroLounge Apr 2013 #204
+1 sagat Apr 2013 #206
Add "Destroyed Chained CPI in 48 hours" to his legacy. TekGryphon Apr 2013 #207
Cancer clinics are turning away thousands of Medicare patients. Blame the sequester. Fire Walk With Me Apr 2013 #208
Boehner takes sequester victory lap ProSense Apr 2013 #210
Then the candyland fairies danced all night long. Safetykitten Apr 2013 #209
K&R Jamaal510 Apr 2013 #212
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