Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
6. You know,
Sun Apr 14, 2013, 08:07 PM
Apr 2013

not every anti-Obama/Democratic Party drivel posted on the Internets need to be dragged into this forum. This commentary is a mess of hate and sillines. Obama is more evil than Reagan because the author says so.

Reagan's invasion of Grenada, along with his bloody contra wars in Central America and southern Africa signaled the renewal of on and off the books of US military interventions when and wherever the logic of empire suggested, and regardless of namby-pamby concerns of human rights, domestic or international law. But if being a Republican means you can be a naked imperialist at home as well as abroad, being a Democrat like Barack Obama means making sufficiently ambiguous noises war and empire to enable corporate media and your own campaign to manufacture a false narrative of actual and substantive difference between Democrats and Republicans.

The first president Bush invaded Panama, and landed US troops in Somalia, a supposed “humanitarian” intervention. Bill Clinton massively increased the shipment of US military hardware and training to more than 50 of Africa's 54 nations, fueling the conflict in Congo which has taken 7 million lives to date. That's continuity of purpose and of policy.

In Barack Obama's case all he had to say was that he wasn't necessarily against wars, just against what he called “stupid wars.” Corporate media and “liberal” shills morphed that lone statement into a false narrative that Barack Obama opposed the war in Iraq, making him an instantly viable presidential candidate at a time when the American people overwhelmingly opposed that war. Once in office, Barack Obama strove mightily to abrogate the Status of Forces Agreement with Iraq which would have allowed US forces to remain there indefinitely. But when the Iraqi puppet government, faced with a near revolt on the part of what remained of Iraqi civil society, dared not do his bidding, insisting that uniformed US troops (but not the American and multinational mercenaries we pay to remain there) stick to the withdrawal timetable agreed upon under Bush, liberal shills and corporate media hailed the withdrawal from Iraq as Obama's “victory.”

<...>

If either George Bush, or if Ronald Reagan had openly deployed US troops to Africa on anything like the scale President Obama has, black America would be up in arms. They wanted to. They couldn't. It seems that now, by giving us a black president, the empire can get just about whatever it wants.

It works the same way at home. Ronald Reagan and the first George Bush would have liked to tamper with social security, but dared not.

Obama talks, ended the Iraq war and something about Africa so he's more evil than Grenada invading, bloody contra wars Reagan, and something completely nonsensical about Social Security.

The Story of COLAs (and amendments to Social Security)
http://election.democraticunderground.com/10022632157

Yeah, Obama is the evil incarnation of Reagan.

West Wing Week: "Dispatches from Sudan"

Posted by Arun Chaudhary

Today the official preliminary results from the historic referendum in Sudan were released. The people of Southern Sudan appear to have voted overwhelmingly in support of independence: total turnout was about 97 percent with almost 99 percent of voters casting their ballots to create the world’s newest nation. West Wing Week was on the ground in Sudan during the week-long referendum, traveling to all parts of the country with the President’s Special Envoy, General Scott Gration. We went behind the scenes at polling stations from Juba to Khartoum, met some of the international community who helped to ensure the vote was fair and peaceful, and traveled to Darfur to inspect conditions and learn about the commitment of the United States to peace in this region after decades of civil war.

<video>

See a few links below on the President's engagement on the issue:

October 19, 2009:

• A Comprehensive Strategy for Sudan

November 12, 2009:


• A Public Dialogue on Darfur

September 24, 2010:


• President Obama in Ministerial Meeting on Sudan: "The Fate of Millions"

January 6, 2011:


• Expectations and Implications: A Discussion on the Southern Sudan Referendum"


West Wing Week: "Dispatches from Sudan"
Posted by Arun Chaudhary

Today the official preliminary results from the historic referendum in Sudan were released. The people of Southern Sudan appear to have voted overwhelmingly in support of independence: total turnout was about 97 percent with almost 99 percent of voters casting their ballots to create the world’s newest nation. West Wing Week was on the ground in Sudan during the week-long referendum, traveling to all parts of the country with the President’s Special Envoy, General Scott Gration. We went behind the scenes at polling stations from Juba to Khartoum, met some of the international community who helped to ensure the vote was fair and peaceful, and traveled to Darfur to inspect conditions and learn about the commitment of the United States to peace in this region after decades of civil war.

<video>

See a few links below on the President's engagement on the issue:

October 19, 2009:

•A Comprehensive Strategy for Sudan

November 12, 2009:


•A Public Dialogue on Darfur

September 24, 2010:


•President Obama in Ministerial Meeting on Sudan: "The Fate of Millions"

January 6, 2011:


•Expectations and Implications: A Discussion on the Southern Sudan Referendum"

http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/02/02/west-wing-week-dispatches-sudan


Sudan: The reality after the split
http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/insidestory/2013/04/201342142043365293.html

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

Obama loves him some Reagan. The Link Apr 2013 #1
I noticed it, too. Octafish Apr 2013 #11
I think Obama was right there and not expressing love of Reagan hfojvt Apr 2013 #37
That's it? Kolesar Apr 2013 #53
Fuck Bruce Dixon...nt SidDithers Apr 2013 #2
Why? Are you horny? Dragonfli Apr 2013 #12
It is inspiring to read all that you add to DU. Octafish Apr 2013 #13
I can't wait to see you somehow tie this all to the BFEE and the Kennedy assassination...nt SidDithers Apr 2013 #26
Seeing how you've never posted anything critical of the BFEE or the Warren Commission... Octafish Apr 2013 #42
Why, didn't you tell us you never read anything more than two lines? sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #57
No, sabrina... SidDithers Apr 2013 #59
Well, that explains why you know so little about US politics. sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #60
Oh, I read Octafish's posts... SidDithers Apr 2013 #61
In vain? Octafish Apr 2013 #64
Oh, that was the one where you used a white nationalist as your source... SidDithers Apr 2013 #66
No, It's an example. Octafish Apr 2013 #67
Wow. You get SERIOUS props from me on how you handled that Number23 Apr 2013 #68
Good to see you... SidDithers Apr 2013 #69
+1000 one_voice Apr 2013 #15
I'm continually amazed at the "sources" that the so-called progressives at DU use...nt SidDithers Apr 2013 #22
You mean like the Moonie Washington Times? Me too. That right wing rag was created to sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #58
Hey! Shut up! NealK Apr 2013 #35
Awesome... SidDithers Apr 2013 #36
.... DeSwiss Apr 2013 #38
Based on my dread of reading the news every day - they are peas in the exact same pod. forestpath Apr 2013 #3
Channeling Cheney Octafish Apr 2013 #29
Yeah, the President is just like Dick Cheney Kolesar Apr 2013 #54
No, that article was just about his energy policy. Octafish Apr 2013 #56
Lincoln-FDR-LBJ-Obama. The four greatest presidents ever.And Hillary in 2016 graham4anything Apr 2013 #4
! Fuddnik Apr 2013 #46
Were you a Democrat when Kennedy was alive? Octafish Apr 2013 #51
wow, powerful stuff - quinnox Apr 2013 #5
"Powerful" nonsense. n/t ProSense Apr 2013 #7
Don't bother them, Pro. This thread alone has probably boosted Black Agenda Report's readership Number23 Apr 2013 #31
You know, ProSense Apr 2013 #6
Apparently, it does...nt SidDithers Apr 2013 #23
great thread title Bennyboy Apr 2013 #8
Somebody had to say it. (eom) CanSocDem Apr 2013 #9
I'll take "Ronald Reagan's 9th" for the win! Dragonfli Apr 2013 #10
It's a new car! Octafish Apr 2013 #16
. dionysus Apr 2013 #14
More Reagan than Reagan. MrSlayer Apr 2013 #17
"More Reagan than Reagan" quinnox Apr 2013 #21
But on the plus side... NealK Apr 2013 #27
... zappaman Apr 2013 #18
Goldman Sachs was made whole by Timothy Geithner, 100-cents on the dollar. Octafish Apr 2013 #49
Hey! You're not focusing only on the ups and downs of chess-game politics! deutsey Apr 2013 #19
Bush's third, in many ways NoMoreWarNow Apr 2013 #20
K&R - Awesome post. limpyhobbler Apr 2013 #24
K&R n/t whatchamacallit Apr 2013 #25
Yawn. More bullshit from "alternative" news sites with nobodies pretending to be journalists. DemocraticProse Apr 2013 #28
And what could possibly increase traffic to a such a high-profile website?... SidDithers Apr 2013 #32
The tweedledum and tweedledee of FOX and MSNBC are your guiding star? delrem Apr 2013 #50
A jury voted 5-1 to leave this post alone. Sekhmets Daughter Apr 2013 #52
wow. Just wow. jazzimov Apr 2013 #30
All of the above broadcaster75201 Apr 2013 #33
I'm a Kennedy Democrat. How foreign policy has changed since JFK administration... Octafish Apr 2013 #44
DURec leftstreet Apr 2013 #34
Greed is a plague for which we'll pay for dearly. HughBeaumont Apr 2013 #39
Excellent Article, thanks for sharing! usGovOwesUs3Trillion Apr 2013 #40
Slowly, ever so slowly the scales fall away..... DeSwiss Apr 2013 #41
But, will enough fall before it's too late? Egalitarian Thug Apr 2013 #62
Yeah, I think so..... DeSwiss Apr 2013 #65
It's a mix of neo-Reagan and anti-FDR jsr Apr 2013 #43
The bloody DLC DissidentVoice Apr 2013 #45
Somebody's stealing my ideas. I've been calling it Reagans 9th for 6 months. Fuddnik Apr 2013 #47
lol quinnox Apr 2013 #48
Reagan's ninth is what is really going on. TheKentuckian Apr 2013 #55
Hey I was happy to get habeas corpus back Rex Apr 2013 #63
The banks run everything. woo me with science Apr 2013 #70
A donkey kick! quinnox Apr 2013 #71
The 6th of Hillary's 14? n/t cherokeeprogressive Apr 2013 #72
Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Is This Barack Obama's 2n...»Reply #6