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Carolina

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183. health reform?

Sun Apr 14, 2013, 09:56 PM

Apr 2013

again, get real.

The ACA is NOT about health care; it's about health insurance and its full ramifications are yet to be known. The devil is in the details of a bill that takes up ~2,500 pages. LBJ gave those 65 and older the closest thing to universal HEALTH CARE. BHO... not so much.

Your post said he's done more for the poor since LBJ? Really... I can't believe you can even write that with a straight face.

A man who fills his cabinet and circle of advisors with 3rd way/ DLC types, Wall Street types and those who love privatization... all of whom are enemies of "we, the people," especially the little people!

So tell me, how is Mr. Outsourcer, job cutter, GE CEO, Jeffrey Inmelt good for the poor?

BHO, your hero, chose him as an advisor on jobs!

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President Obama has done more to help the poor and middle class than any President since LBJ [View all] ProSense Apr 2013 OP

So - the poor and middle class can afford to take a hit? djean111 Apr 2013 #1

Where the hell did I say that? ProSense Apr 2013 #2

He thinks that is what you mean in your OP Rex Apr 2013 #3

What I said is, to me, the logical point of your showing The List. djean111 Apr 2013 #4

That's your logic. n/t ProSense Apr 2013 #6

It is ether logical or it is not. zeemike Apr 2013 #46

Some people ProSense Apr 2013 #49

What does logical have to do with putting words in someones mouth Life Long Dem Apr 2013 #54

Nothing that i know of. zeemike Apr 2013 #63

Weren't you suggesting that Obama wouldn't be touching chanined CPI R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2013 #189

Thank you for putting this together, ProSense. Control-Z Apr 2013 #5

For some reason the Rec button isn't working. But K & R. Great data, as always. freshwest Apr 2013 #170

Post removed Post removed Apr 2013 #7

You are always ProSense Apr 2013 #8

Sure.. sendero Apr 2013 #155

Working Family Tax Credits Kept Nearly 10 Million People Out Of Poverty 2011 ProSense Apr 2013 #10

Tax cuts as cure-all for mankind AgingAmerican Apr 2013 #33

Why? ProSense Apr 2013 #50

Tax cuts = FAIL for America AgingAmerican Apr 2013 #52

EITC = Much needed help for low-income Americans. n/t ProSense Apr 2013 #53

Boiling Frog Syndrome - Have You Become a Boiled Frog? AgingAmerican Apr 2013 #55

Are you ProSense Apr 2013 #56

the making work pay credit helped lower income people treestar Apr 2013 #200

Tax cuts are the weakest possible stimulus AgingAmerican Apr 2013 #203

But he helped the rich even more - Income gap between rich, middle class, and poor widens Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2013 #9

*applause* cali Apr 2013 #11

LOL! ProSense Apr 2013 #15

Nice chart, especially ProSense Apr 2013 #13

So did Marie Antoinette Rilgin Apr 2013 #42

Well, ProSense Apr 2013 #43

facts or opinion Rilgin Apr 2013 #153

Very good and well reasoned post Progressive dog Apr 2013 #157

You appear ProSense Apr 2013 #160

You must be a King Crimson fan (Confusion will be your epitaph). Rilgin Apr 2013 #162

It seems to me ProSense Apr 2013 #163

Up is down and all is for the best in the best of all bills Rilgin Apr 2013 #164

That's a problem ProSense Apr 2013 #166

Great post, Rilgin truebluegreen Apr 2013 #60

yes Obama did something hfojvt Apr 2013 #137

The rich get Social Security, but they pay much if not all of it back in JDPriestly Apr 2013 #144

what I am saying is this hfojvt Apr 2013 #146

Yes. I totally agree with you on that. Thanks. Good points. JDPriestly Apr 2013 #147

the making work pay credit hfojvt Apr 2013 #150

Many thanks for the graphs and charts! byeya Apr 2013 #14

That was the trajectory of wealth inequality way before Obama ever took his first oath. phleshdef Apr 2013 #16

The gap is widening, not narrowing. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2013 #19

No one denies that. But thats because of exactly what I just said. phleshdef Apr 2013 #22

Another good article: ProSense Apr 2013 #23

Why do you hate the wealthy? Don't you see that a rising tide raises all boats? EOTE Apr 2013 #39

Sometimes that rising tide crashes some boats onto the shore Art_from_Ark Apr 2013 #117

Thank you. What a load of bull this chocolate ration talk is. woo me with science Apr 2013 #47

Newsflash: ProSense Apr 2013 #48

Alan Grayson: 170 Democrats need to get primaried woo me with science Apr 2013 #81

What does ProSense Apr 2013 #83

That's hilarious... ljm2002 Apr 2013 #109

she's getting her ass kicked, and that is a deflection Skittles Apr 2013 #114

Wake up, you're dreaming. n/t ProSense Apr 2013 #118

I am ALWAYS awake all night Skittles Apr 2013 #120

Maybe ProSense Apr 2013 #115

I did check it... ljm2002 Apr 2013 #129

Maybe you should ProSense Apr 2013 #132

"Besides, the links are irrelevant". ljm2002 Apr 2013 #135

OK, ProSense Apr 2013 #136

Well the first reply in that thread... ljm2002 Apr 2013 #139

Wait ProSense Apr 2013 #141

You were asking what was the relevance of the link... ljm2002 Apr 2013 #143

"Still, the links related to decades of inequality "... ljm2002 Apr 2013 #151

Yup. I often post the body of a piece and then edit the links in immediately afterward woo me with science Apr 2013 #133

I use tabs when referring to other pages... ljm2002 Apr 2013 #134

excellent post/response Carolina Apr 2013 #176

++ Good! Newest Reality Apr 2013 #152

+1 leftstreet Apr 2013 #95

agree.. n/t EC Apr 2013 #12

We needed an FDR, but got an LBJ... Taverner Apr 2013 #17

I wish we would have gotten an LBJ tularetom Apr 2013 #30

1st term was LBJ-ish Taverner Apr 2013 #31

No - First term more Neville Chamberlain dflprincess Apr 2013 #80

Thank you! Carolina Apr 2013 #178

No offense, but . . . HughBeaumont Apr 2013 #18

None taken. ProSense Apr 2013 #25

Yes, but that's a rather low bar. Just saying. n/t markpkessinger Apr 2013 #68

He did extend unemployment benefits to 99 weeks... kentuck Apr 2013 #20

Thanks, Prosense. Whisp Apr 2013 #21

Concur. madamesilverspurs Apr 2013 #24

Good Read Mr Dixon Apr 2013 #27

Well said, Whisp. The fact that we have endured this idiotic panicking bullshit on the same topic Number23 Apr 2013 #76

Being angry is not synonymous with panicking... ljm2002 Apr 2013 #113

And as the president's zombie horde of mindless detractors constantly remind us Number23 Apr 2013 #119

I used the term "Obama's rah rah team"... ljm2002 Apr 2013 #131

That's a negative for the intervening presidents, not a plus for Obama. (nt) jeff47 Apr 2013 #26

He's not ProSense Apr 2013 #28

I'm saying the minimal help he's provided should be considered the floor jeff47 Apr 2013 #29

And I'm saying ProSense Apr 2013 #32

You're arguing that the intervening presidents were bad jeff47 Apr 2013 #35

Actually, ProSense Apr 2013 #37

Then how come I'm feeling so much poorer? Cleita Apr 2013 #34

True ProSense Apr 2013 #45

DU Rec...nt SidDithers Apr 2013 #36

Taking More From Seniors and Disabled Doesn't Fit That Narative usGovOwesUs3Trillion Apr 2013 #38

Welcome to DU ProSense Apr 2013 #40

Welcome to DUusGovOwesUS3Trillion! hrmjustin Apr 2013 #51

Could be, but all that water swirling around is the sound of the toilet flushing it all away Jersey Devil Apr 2013 #41

I think ProSense Apr 2013 #44

LOL, Ok, here comes the PR to try to make the SS complaints go away. Have you made ONE POST.... Logical Apr 2013 #57

Why ProSense Apr 2013 #58

I respond to lots of posts. Don't give yourself so much credit. I am shocked..... Logical Apr 2013 #59

Hey ProSense Apr 2013 #61

Hey..... Logical Apr 2013 #62

What does ProSense Apr 2013 #65

Sometimes your posts make no sense. Like this one. But your laughing icon is really clever. n-t Logical Apr 2013 #67

Speaking of ProSense Apr 2013 #69

Look on the bright side. I am kicking your posts so you don't have to! Win Win for you. n-t Logical Apr 2013 #70

Thanks, and kick! ProSense Apr 2013 #74

Where did you go? n/t ProSense Apr 2013 #75

I watched a movie with kids. We can fight more tomorrow! :-) Logical Apr 2013 #89

WHY? Lady Freedom Returns Apr 2013 #177

Because blind support of all policy is as bad a complaining about everything Obama does. n-t Logical Apr 2013 #184

He wants the poor to die slowly (opposite of what Grayson said about R's) IfPalinisAnswerWatsQ Apr 2013 #64

Actually, ProSense Apr 2013 #66

You missed the point IfPalinisAnswerWatsQ Apr 2013 #72

Get real Carolina Apr 2013 #71

Maybe ProSense Apr 2013 #73

health reform? Carolina Apr 2013 #183

My goodness the meme's just keep on coming tonight. The dust hasn't settled on this yet.. kickysnana Apr 2013 #77

OK ProSense Apr 2013 #79

"our freedom and safety nets from this President"? Kolesar Apr 2013 #179

The screamers on DU don't pay attention to facts which don't support their narrow view of bluestate10 Apr 2013 #78

+1 LOVE Bernie Sanders, but it takes more than just being right. nt patrice Apr 2013 #82

No, they're not looking for facts, they're looking for fights Kolesar Apr 2013 #180

Yeah, but the Karl Marx's and Che's on the board demand instant utopia tabasco Apr 2013 #84

wow what a condescending comment.. bowens43 Apr 2013 #105

I don't think so, and I'm probably one of the biggest believers in socialism here. freshwest Apr 2013 #174

daaamn. red baiting isn't just for freepers anymore! boilerbabe Apr 2013 #158

Viva la revolucion !! tabasco Apr 2013 #161

K&R, ProSense! sheshe2 Apr 2013 #85

Pathetic. duffyduff Apr 2013 #86

You mean ProSense Apr 2013 #87

Another thing, ProSense Apr 2013 #88

So did you join simply to bash the President? DainBramaged Apr 2013 #96

Also ProSense Apr 2013 #100

Thank you. 840high Apr 2013 #121

totally agree, DuffyDuff Carolina Apr 2013 #175

Highest poverty rate since the 1960s, high unemployment LittleBlue Apr 2013 #90

Bush did A LOT of damage and is taking a lot of time to fix. Lady Freedom Returns Apr 2013 #92

Like I said, ProSense Apr 2013 #93

And if Obama's proposed chained CPI became reality LittleBlue Apr 2013 #94

Well, ProSense Apr 2013 #97

I thought the OP was about the poor and middle class? LittleBlue Apr 2013 #101

The OP ProSense Apr 2013 #104

OK, then it should be fair if I mention his proposed policies LittleBlue Apr 2013 #111

Again, you don't think the Republicans had nothing to do with the poverty rate, debt, war DainBramaged Apr 2013 #99

Of course they did LittleBlue Apr 2013 #102

My God it's all Obama's fault DainBramaged Apr 2013 #106

Did someone force him to propose chained CPI? LittleBlue Apr 2013 #112

Well, ProSense Apr 2013 #127

So the Republicans are faultless here? DainBramaged Apr 2013 #98

Kick! I Rec'ed it earlier! Lady Freedom Returns Apr 2013 #91

LOL! So are you a DLC operative? bowens43 Apr 2013 #103

LOL! Is that the stupidest question of the day? ProSense Apr 2013 #107

There was a direct question, and to counter it R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2013 #190

And you're a FAUX News advocate? DainBramaged Apr 2013 #108

Bullshit! And I don't need pretty charts and links, just ask the local homeless shelters, foodbanks Purveyor Apr 2013 #110

WTH? ProSense Apr 2013 #116

It's dismal. I volunteer 840high Apr 2013 #122

Ask those ProSense Apr 2013 #124

Oh. many of us still support Obama. Lady Freedom Returns Apr 2013 #167

So that means he can cut Social Security, food stamps, veterans' JDPriestly Apr 2013 #123

No, and it doesn't imply that anywhere in the OP. ProSense Apr 2013 #125

Then what is the point in the OP? JDPriestly Apr 2013 #128

Wait, ProSense Apr 2013 #130

Saying you did more to help the poor and poverty than any president JDPriestly Apr 2013 #138

That makes ProSense Apr 2013 #140

Wonderful response, JDPriestly Carolina Apr 2013 #185

Oh I can't wait for the charts and graphs from Daily Kos to refute your claims, with maybe a NYT Purveyor Apr 2013 #126

his record only looks positive hfojvt Apr 2013 #142

You continue ProSense Apr 2013 #145

I did the math hfojvt Apr 2013 #148

No ProSense Apr 2013 #156

That's all well and good TransitJohn Apr 2013 #149

Yes, ProSense Apr 2013 #159

is my family better off under obama than lbj? madrchsod Apr 2013 #154

Thanks for doing this, ProSense Hekate Apr 2013 #165

You once told me that, if Obama tried to cut SS, you'd no longer support him. /nt Marr Apr 2013 #168

I have abandoned him because of a proposal. You? n/t ProSense Apr 2013 #169

Is this where you suggest that it was just a harmless proposal? R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2013 #195

It is interesting watching the narrative/spin evolve usGovOwesUs3Trillion Apr 2013 #172

I believe that I remember reading that same line around January. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2013 #191

Reality check: Fire Walk With Me Apr 2013 #171

That has nothing to do with the OP. n/t ProSense Apr 2013 #173

nobody's forcing you to "breathe" in here Kolesar Apr 2013 #182

I've already marched outside with Occupy. We are still correct regarding the banksters behind Fire Walk With Me Apr 2013 #205

My brother would have qualified for Medicaid had he lived Kolesar Apr 2013 #181

Perpetuating the Privatization our Healthcare is not helping the Poor or Middleclass usGovOwesUs3Trillion Apr 2013 #186

so true, the ACA is Carolina Apr 2013 #187

Thank you Carolina usGovOwesUs3Trillion Apr 2013 #188

Can you ProSense Apr 2013 #193

Helped the poor and middle class out of their homes, you mean. Octafish Apr 2013 #192

Federal Mortgage Program Extended ProSense Apr 2013 #194

Perhaps you should set Elizabeth Warren straight then. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2013 #196

There's no ProSense Apr 2013 #197

I take it then if there is no need to "set Elizabeth straight" R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2013 #202

No. That's different. This involves millions of INNOCENT people who lost their homes to BANKSTERS. Octafish Apr 2013 #211

We are living in the best of times and the worst of times . . . SleeplessinSoCal Apr 2013 #198

good thing Leo Ryan's already dead... MisterP Apr 2013 #199

Strange you are on a Democratic Board treestar Apr 2013 #201

TLDR RetroLounge Apr 2013 #204

+1 sagat Apr 2013 #206

Add "Destroyed Chained CPI in 48 hours" to his legacy. TekGryphon Apr 2013 #207

Cancer clinics are turning away thousands of Medicare patients. Blame the sequester. Fire Walk With Me Apr 2013 #208

Boehner takes sequester victory lap ProSense Apr 2013 #210

Then the candyland fairies danced all night long. Safetykitten Apr 2013 #209

K&R Jamaal510 Apr 2013 #212