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Mon Apr 22, 2013, 04:16 PM

Apr 2013

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On Boston suspects: Maher To Defender Of Islam: Equating Christianity And Islam "Liberal Bullshit" [View all] The Straight Story Apr 2013 OP

As a faith...? It does need to grow the fuck up. alphafemale Apr 2013 #1

Christians killed 200,000 people in Iraq BainsBane Apr 2013 #117

No. That was not a faith based action. alphafemale Apr 2013 #118

so that makes it okay? BainsBane Apr 2013 #121

That's not what she said, was it? Jack Sprat Apr 2013 #126

Who here is justifying the Iraq war or saying Dorian Gray Apr 2013 #139

to identify Islam as a source of violence BainsBane Apr 2013 #140

Christianity went through it's dark ages, Taliban fundie types are still working through theirs snooper2 Apr 2013 #177

This message was self-deleted by its author cui bono Apr 2013 #238

How about the killing of 762 to 3,500 refugees in Sabra and Shatila? Chathamization Apr 2013 #145

George Bush did use the "Crusade" word to describe the mission. n/t Blue_In_AK Apr 2013 #153

But the word used "figuratively" OwnedByCats Apr 2013 #158

Christianity is so interwoven with our politics Blue_In_AK Apr 2013 #163

Quite possibly true in reference to OwnedByCats Apr 2013 #164

Bush invoked religion more times than I can ever remember a siting US President. npk Apr 2013 #216

But GWB doesn't know the meaning of the words he speaks. n/t cui bono Apr 2013 #239

I don't think that's so clear, really. Marr Apr 2013 #180

Now you are broad brushing our culture. Deep13 Apr 2013 #228

Only if you agree with the RW that we're a Christian nation NickB79 Apr 2013 #195

How is it that people think religion is the only BainsBane Apr 2013 #205

Holy crap you think we went to war in Iraq because we are Christians? dkf Apr 2013 #226

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2013 #244

They do still bomb health clinics and murders doctors sometimes. cui bono Apr 2013 #236

Christians gravitated to nationalism as the main social identity... Deep13 Apr 2013 #240

Christianity calls for the extermination of humanity AgingAmerican Apr 2013 #2

that is not a central tenet of Christianity cali Apr 2013 #6

Educate myself? AgingAmerican Apr 2013 #7

evangelical christians are hardly cali Apr 2013 #34

You are 100% correct. MsPithy Apr 2013 #63

The Majority of Christians in this world do not believe in the rapture. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #70

You would have to look very hard to find the word 'rapture' in the Bible. ryan_cats Apr 2013 #115

You can read scripture many different ways but the rapture is a 19 century invention by hrmjustin Apr 2013 #133

John Darby. Premillennial Dispensationalism cali Apr 2013 #148

It goes back much farther than that Art_from_Ark Apr 2013 #222

well, yes and no. cali Apr 2013 #223

There are a lot of powerful ones in our government AgingAmerican Apr 2013 #146

They are central to certain fundamentalists- not even all of them cali Apr 2013 #98

wow the Resurrection isn't a central tennet of Christianity? azurnoir Apr 2013 #40

nope. not as practiced by many branches of Christianity. cali Apr 2013 #55

I'm not a Christian but at least you admit it is central to some brands of Christianity azurnoir Apr 2013 #57

how azurnoiresque. Admit? No, I'm not "admitting" to anything. cali Apr 2013 #94

well of course your not lol azurnoir Apr 2013 #97

I'm attempting to inform cali Apr 2013 #101

well of course you do azurnoir Apr 2013 #102

no, just noting behavior. cali Apr 2013 #104

well yes of course you are :) azurnoir Apr 2013 #106

You are wrong about this dsc Apr 2013 #62

the Resurrection is portrayed as happening as a part of Armageddon azurnoir Apr 2013 #65

Revelation may mention the resurrection dsc Apr 2013 #74

well what is the Resurrection azurnoir Apr 2013 #81

The Resurrection refers to the immediate aftermath of the crucifiction dsc Apr 2013 #86

well then my mistake in terms I was thinking of the second coming azurnoir Apr 2013 #90

This message was self-deleted by its author Union Scribe Apr 2013 #187

ack. you should stop digging, hon. you really don't know what you're talking about cali Apr 2013 #95

ack I noted my mistake in terms down thread perhaps you should read more:) azurnoir Apr 2013 #100

Seriously, if you don't know about something- and you've demonstated that you cali Apr 2013 #103

I'm simply replying to you azurnoir Apr 2013 #105

Ah, DU theology classes. Union Scribe Apr 2013 #186

yes any mention of Islam seems to really bring out the azurnoir Apr 2013 #200

But Christians do not, as a whole, go out to purposely murder others. randome Apr 2013 #38

just like rogus Apr 2013 #61

Christians definitely have their nutcases. randome Apr 2013 #93

I believe it's Christians in Uganda who proposed Blue_In_AK Apr 2013 #155

I get your point but that's still an isolated situation. randome Apr 2013 #169

What? Many believe it is prophecy, they don't call for it. n/t Skip Intro Apr 2013 #45

Where does Jesus say anything about Extermination? hrmjustin Apr 2013 #49

Hmm.. Pelican Apr 2013 #165

With all do respect this is not an answer. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #175

You're overthinking it... Pelican Apr 2013 #189

You're confusing "Christianity" with "What I would like Christianity to be". Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2013 #128

You're misunderstanding the concept of Armageddon marshall Apr 2013 #132

Some parts of it do. Deep13 Apr 2013 #231

George W Bush was famous for stating Jesus Christ was his favorite philosopher Fumesucker Apr 2013 #3

He was trying to get votes in a majority-Christian country. UrbScotty Apr 2013 #12

You're going with the "No true Scotsman" argument? Fumesucker Apr 2013 #13

Does anyone *really* think W (or any Republican politician) would talk about God/Jesus if America UrbScotty Apr 2013 #17

Obama did the same thing Fumesucker Apr 2013 #21

But his actions are more in line with actual Christian behavior. Dubya? Not so much. UrbScotty Apr 2013 #37

I know a great many Christians who think Bush was the bees knees n/t Fumesucker Apr 2013 #39

So, which one of them is the true Scotsman? Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #172

Can you show how they are? I don't see it. cui bono Apr 2013 #250

Do you think Bush followed the teachings of Christ? I don't! hrmjustin Apr 2013 #51

I think very, very few people follow all the teachings of the Christ n/t Fumesucker Apr 2013 #107

I thought he indicated, even said pangaia Apr 2013 #46

I was curious so I looked it up MrBig Apr 2013 #76

Well, that's your view of Christianity. Deep13 Apr 2013 #233

Bush pulled Jesus' name out of his ass at a debate Tanuki Apr 2013 #178

You don't think Bush was a Christian? Fumesucker Apr 2013 #179

He might try opening a History book once in a while. eShirl Apr 2013 #4

He's talking about now, not 800 years ago RZM Apr 2013 #9

Huge difference. Jack Sprat Apr 2013 #19

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition... awoke_in_2003 Apr 2013 #89

You might want to read post #8 below. (nt) jeff47 Apr 2013 #84

I wish there were more good popular history books on Islam. Deep13 Apr 2013 #234

Maher nails it, as usual. sagat Apr 2013 #5

Northern Ireland, the KKK, etc. One need not look far to see Christian terrorism in action. Xithras Apr 2013 #8

But the media do not REPORT those terrorist acts tblue37 Apr 2013 #14

This. curlyred Apr 2013 #25

That's absolutely right. Blue_In_AK Apr 2013 #156

Terrorism by Christians isn't "Christian terrorism" Spider Jerusalem Apr 2013 #229

The KKK wasn't a religious group? Xithras Apr 2013 #245

No, the KKK wasn't a religious organisation. Spider Jerusalem Apr 2013 #246

Lol. Xithras Apr 2013 #248

You know what they'd call you in Ireland? Spider Jerusalem Apr 2013 #249

I'd say they both have a point. MNBrewer Apr 2013 #10

You don't need to 'split the baby' to see that, do you? randome Apr 2013 #41

Bill Mayer is BM n/t whatchamacallit Apr 2013 #11

I'm not seeing people bombing in the name of Christianity Aerows Apr 2013 #15

No, we're just bombing the fuck out of everyone else over "our beliefs" whatchamacallit Apr 2013 #18

Amen, brother n/t Fumesucker Apr 2013 #22

They are bombing people for $$$ and nothing else. nt Lucky Luciano Apr 2013 #79

God Bless America Fumesucker Apr 2013 #184

For sure. Jack Sprat Apr 2013 #16

Nazism was a Christian phenomenon. Their aircraft, for example, had two Christian crosses byeya Apr 2013 #30

Spanish Inquisition, Crusades, Jack Sprat Apr 2013 #42

Christians are at war with women's health care facilities and have committed murder and byeya Apr 2013 #50

Correct, but Jack Sprat Apr 2013 #66

#1) We just claim secular reasons for those alerts. jeff47 Apr 2013 #91

So all that added security Jack Sprat Apr 2013 #110

There's more locations in this world than airports. jeff47 Apr 2013 #114

Hey Jeff Jack Sprat Apr 2013 #123

I'm not apologizing for them. That's your desperate attempt to dismiss me. jeff47 Apr 2013 #124

Are you paranoid much? Blue_In_AK Apr 2013 #159

Seems like you are unable Jack Sprat Apr 2013 #199

The fact that you don't hear what Christians do in Africa, Asia jeff47 Apr 2013 #87

Are Christians planting bombs in Africa, Asia? Jack Sprat Apr 2013 #116

Yes. jeff47 Apr 2013 #119

Wow. Blue_In_AK Apr 2013 #157

Post removed Post removed Apr 2013 #201

As I've pointed out elsewhere Blue_In_AK Apr 2013 #207

Very telling admission. Jack Sprat Apr 2013 #213

That's fine, Jack. Blue_In_AK Apr 2013 #214

If being opposed to anti-Muslim bigotry makes me a 'terror apologist', put me on ignore too... Violet_Crumble Apr 2013 #218

If being against bigotry gets DUers a place on your ignore list, add me also. uppityperson Apr 2013 #220

Rude, crude, and bigoted remarks nt Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2013 #219

People in these parts pipoman Apr 2013 #20

I am still waiting to see the severed heads Dreamer Tatum Apr 2013 #23

I really do have to weigh in here... EnviroBat Apr 2013 #182

Stop reading propaganda and try getting to know actual Muslim people CrawlingChaos Apr 2013 #26

You forgot the sarcasm smilie. snagglepuss Apr 2013 #32

Bravo !!! pangaia Apr 2013 #56

Well I know Muslims and I've never met any one of them SpartanDem Apr 2013 #31

Remember, given the history of Islamic retaliation for even minor pipoman Apr 2013 #47

Absolutely. Blue_In_AK Apr 2013 #160

I could also say that ... pangaia Apr 2013 #54

So Islamic countries don't practice extreme misogynistic abuse of women?... pipoman Apr 2013 #134

You think there's no extreme misogynistic abuse of women in this Christian country? Blue_In_AK Apr 2013 #161

It isn't legal or socially acceptable...of coarse you knew that.. pipoman Apr 2013 #170

I'm happy to learn Africa and India don't exist. jeff47 Apr 2013 #92

American Christians supported the Iraq war. redgreenandblue Apr 2013 #151

I know a lot of Muslims and none of them is murderous. Deep13 Apr 2013 #232

+1000 smirkymonkey Apr 2013 #253

Maher is a longstanding anti-Muslim bigot and hatemonger CrawlingChaos Apr 2013 #24

Maher makes like they're all a bunch of primitive savages. Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #29

If so, it's ironic his show was yanked after he said the 9/11 hijackers weren't cowardly. SunSeeker Apr 2013 #125

If you noticed he doesn't like any religion at all. Yes he harps on Muslims a bit more but he hrmjustin Apr 2013 #242

Muslims DO respect other faiths though.... Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #27

They only do that to certain Christian and Jewish figures. They certainly do not confer peace on snagglepuss Apr 2013 #35

Are you talking about Kashmir? Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #67

No I'm talking about non-Abrahamic faiths like polytheism snagglepuss Apr 2013 #71

I don't know where you are getting that from. Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #75

It's true. Peace Be Upon Him ("swt") is reserved for "prophets of the book" Recursion Apr 2013 #154

You are wrong. It's also used as a sign of respect for other faiths. Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #192

Sorry, my years in the Middle East must have misled me Recursion Apr 2013 #193

Must be, because the Americanized ones expand it. Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #194

I have no doubt some do Recursion Apr 2013 #196

I know a Jewish woman who uses it for anyone who has passed away. Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #197

We-e-ell, they often respect other people of different religions... Deep13 Apr 2013 #237

"The Muslims who teach my language classes are all very respectful, warm, and very nice people." Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #241

"guy proclaiming himself to be universally bigoted shows slight inconsistency in the universalism of MisterP Apr 2013 #28

I'd like a non white, non christian (or affiliated), non western male to make said assessment ... uponit7771 Apr 2013 #33

Religion is at the bottom of all terrorist acts RVN VET Apr 2013 #36

This is a very good reply. GaYellowDawg Apr 2013 #167

yep Maher would know about that wouldn't he? azurnoir Apr 2013 #43

Christianity is a violent faith. LWolf Apr 2013 #44

The crusades was centuries ago. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #53

Centuries ago. LWolf Apr 2013 #59

The iraq war was not a war of christianity versus islam. It was Bush's war. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #64

Of course it was. LWolf Apr 2013 #69

I could not disagree with you more. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #72

You're free to disagree all you like. LWolf Apr 2013 #78

Well I am going to say is not all chistians are what you think we are. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #80

Well, you should probably think about that and LWolf Apr 2013 #83

fair enough! hrmjustin Apr 2013 #85

Psst....there's this place called "Africa". You might just read a bit about it. (nt) jeff47 Apr 2013 #96

Enlighten me! hrmjustin Apr 2013 #99

Post #8 has a high-level summary. jeff47 Apr 2013 #112

Ok you got me on that one. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #113

In proper perspective... LeftyChristian Apr 2013 #252

It could be argued Sgent Apr 2013 #227

Muslims need to have a modern day reformation. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #48

I agree with that. randome Apr 2013 #52

I agree with Bill. Apophis Apr 2013 #58

Inaccurate. davidthegnome Apr 2013 #60

Maher ripped that dude to shreds. MrSlayer Apr 2013 #68

Christian denial of Climate Change has DOOMED the planet!! ErikJ Apr 2013 #73

Not all devout Christians believe in the rapture, but yes too Many Christians have turned their hrmjustin Apr 2013 #77

Suicide Religion ErikJ Apr 2013 #129

The rapture is 19th century invention. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #131

But End Times theology has been around forever. ErikJ Apr 2013 #137

Yes it is and to get back to your orignial point fundamentalist Christians are not helping with hrmjustin Apr 2013 #138

This message was self-deleted by its author Union Scribe Apr 2013 #183

In a narrow context he is correct, but only that. I'm much more worried about this: freshwest Apr 2013 #82

Islam does have some hangups that Christianity doesn't starroute Apr 2013 #88

Most of the Muslims I know are secular Blue_In_AK Apr 2013 #162

When are folks going to wake up - Maher is a clown. closeupready Apr 2013 #108

What we like to think is that all religions are peaceful and we can all get along but Vietnameravet Apr 2013 #109

You mean how like Christians want to kill gays? Hugabear Apr 2013 #111

You missed out the words "a tiny fraction of". Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2013 #130

It's a false equivalency, one born out of privilege here in the US... MellowDem Apr 2013 #120

I disagree with the entire argument, Equating Terrorism with Religion is "Atheist Bullshit" Dragonfli Apr 2013 #122

+1 Jamaal510 Apr 2013 #136

well said. BainsBane Apr 2013 #141

gee.. I wonder what manifest destiny was all about? G_j Apr 2013 #127

I think Maher is correct about this rollin74 Apr 2013 #135

Maher made the distinction that we are talking EmeraldCityGrl Apr 2013 #142

Wiki List of Islamist Terrorist Attacks Zorra Apr 2013 #143

Rioting against a cartoon is better than rioting in support of pedophile enablers Chathamization Apr 2013 #144

maher is a fucking tool. smarmy, creepy, arrogant. and *stupid* though he fancies himself HiPointDem Apr 2013 #147

Whose tool? He's certainly not a tool of conservativism. Zorra Apr 2013 #173

'truth to power' = lololololol HiPointDem Apr 2013 #198

Whose tool? nt Zorra Apr 2013 #203

14. tool HiPointDem Apr 2013 #204

Ah, I see. You couldn't really answer the question, so you made something up. Zorra Apr 2013 #206

i answered the question. a tool = a dick. you just choose not to accept the answer. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #209

Sorry, I couldn't find that definition in any dictionary. Zorra Apr 2013 #215

Not a fair comparison... YoungDemCA Apr 2013 #149

Agree how much of religious radicalization has to do with the Ghost of Tom Joad Apr 2013 #166

Dear Mr. Maher. I always enjoy listening to you. I understand your perspective. However,... redgreenandblue Apr 2013 #150

I'm generally a fan of Bill Maher Blue_In_AK Apr 2013 #152

Isn't Bush a 'Christian'? How many did he kill over his eight year reign of terror? sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #168

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Tell that to Dr. George Tiller One of the 99 Apr 2013 #174

Rwanda? Bosnia? LittleBlue Apr 2013 #176

They're clearly not identical players as of today, no. Marr Apr 2013 #181

This message was self-deleted by its author Union Scribe Apr 2013 #185

DU relativism. Union Scribe Apr 2013 #188

Someone up thread said it best. Blue_In_AK Apr 2013 #190

I'd settle for concentrating on the last fifteen years marshall Apr 2013 #210

Keep your pen handy Zax2me Apr 2013 #212

Liberal bullshit? The meme, 'both parties do it' is not exclusive to the Left. Rex Apr 2013 #191

equating all or most Christians Muslims with gejohnston Apr 2013 #202

What's Al Qaeda's favorite religion, again? Quantess Apr 2013 #208

The (very real) lower level of violence in Christianity is not the merit of Christianity. 2ndAmForComputers Apr 2013 #211

Just watched this version of Real Time. Maher was a complete prick to his guest. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #217

I think both were right, but Maher went overboard with that "liberal BS" statement. alp227 Apr 2013 #221

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That is not true. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #225

Gross over simpification. Deep13 Apr 2013 #230

Maher blows his timing sometimes -this was a weird one olddots Apr 2013 #235

I think all religions have their fanatics. We can all go through modern day crimes by members of all hrmjustin Apr 2013 #243

It's ironic, I got into a FB argument just an hour ago with someone cecilfirefox Apr 2013 #247

As an converted Athiest, HockeyMom Apr 2013 #251

We haven't, but that really isn't the point, or at least not the whole point. Deep13 Apr 2013 #254

I was a little frustrated with Maher. Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 #255

This is a tough one... I would have to review the numbers before forming an opinion ecstatic Apr 2013 #256