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54. "Volkish equality" was not leftist policy

Mon May 13, 2013, 07:17 AM

May 2013

A typical welfare state seeks to lessen, if not erase socioeconomic divisions between the castes of the society. Everyone is entitled to receive the benefits the state offers.

The Nazis didn't do that. They had a welfare system... which only German citizens of aryan descent could take part in. The entire concept is founded on hardening and reinforcing existing caste stratification, and reinforcing the dominance of the already-dominant caste. Further, the Nazis operated as a meritocracy; their "welfare" was not a case of caretaking the less fortunate, even among those who were among the "in" caste (remember, the first victims of the Holocaust were the handicapped and mentally ill) - it was about rewarding those "brutes" who performed the best. This actually ended up creating caste stratification within the "herranvolk" caste, with the ill-abled or inept at the bottom, the better-abled above them, and the people already well-off at the top.

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Why do conservatives claim that Hitler was a leftist? [View all] AProgressiveThinker May 2013 OP

They desperately do not want to be associated with Fascism and Nazism because they know stevenleser May 2013 #1

Indeed AProgressiveThinker May 2013 #3

Wasn't it President Paul von Hindenberg? derby378 May 2013 #9

Hitler was made Chancellor by Hiddenburg Drale May 2013 #18

This. But to add they believe that their ideology is pure el_bryanto May 2013 #65

This ^ n/t Prophet 451 May 2013 #68

And let's not forget that conservative American businessmen gave rise to the Nazis. Initech May 2013 #97

For the same reason they propagate other lies. silverweb May 2013 #2

Projection AgingAmerican May 2013 #4

Hitler was by no means a socialist Canuckistanian May 2013 #5

Yes, right wing socialism exists AProgressiveThinker May 2013 #10

Was there ever such a society? Canuckistanian May 2013 #15

America in the early 20th century loyalsister May 2013 #79

wasn't Charles Lindbergh one of the prominent American eugenics supporters? /nt Dragonfli May 2013 #87

Yes and an environmentalist loyalsister May 2013 #90

How does corporatism = socialism demwing May 2013 #51

Socialism is a financial system. Fascism is a political system. You can be both. Ian David May 2013 #12

fascism is corporatism which tends to be financial in nature. ellenfl May 2013 #58

Okay, maybe. Ian David May 2013 #60

sorry, not arguing the rw governance, just that people often ellenfl May 2013 #61

Socialised production to benefit an elite ISN'T socialism. I don't think socialism means what YOU HiPointDem May 2013 #72

i was defining fascism, not socialism. the ruling class in the countries mentioned ellenfl May 2013 #98

No, you can't. Socialism is an economic system which by its nature disallows fascism. Fascism HiPointDem May 2013 #73

Got it. n/t Ian David May 2013 #74

Because they are morons. Old and In the Way May 2013 #6

Why do conservatives claim anything? Dyedinthewoolliberal May 2013 #7

Because he was a bad man who did what they secretly want to do Warpy May 2013 #8

Obamacare was invented to save Hitler's brain! nt onehandle May 2013 #11

It worked! (now Hitler is pissed) Dragonfli May 2013 #89

Conservatives and projection go together like flies and you know what. marmar May 2013 #13

It's a convenient misunderstanding of the party name magellan May 2013 #14

NSDAP moondust May 2013 #16

You can't just highlight part of the name and expect it to mean something. stevenleser May 2013 #19

I know that. moondust May 2013 #21

if you don't understand that, check out some of the rw pac/tea party names. eom ellenfl May 2013 #59

Which of the policies are you refering to? TampaAnimusVortex May 2013 #92

Just prop words. defacto7 May 2013 #33

Equating any modern mainstream party to the Nazis is ignorant, stupid and offensive. (nt) Nye Bevan May 2013 #17

on the other hand, Hitler didn't exist in a vacuum demwing May 2013 #52

And not only that, but....... socialist_n_TN May 2013 #91

So we're supposed to be able to smell the death camps before...... socialist_n_TN May 2013 #93

They are not there yet. Nye Bevan May 2013 #96

Because they are morons. Hitler killed leftists, liberals, & communists. He was a rightwing nut job. JaneyVee May 2013 #20

Because a) some of them are that stupid Rex May 2013 #22

because hitler has a bad reputation. unblock May 2013 #23

You'd think with Hitler's rep for killing gays, socialists and liberals magellan May 2013 #46

i'm not saying they disagree with his policies, only that it's bad advertising for them. unblock May 2013 #67

The word "socialist" is part of the Nazi party's name. Deep13 May 2013 #24

That's what I was going to say too laundry_queen May 2013 #32

Well it was certainly an activist government by today's standards Recursion May 2013 #39

More powerfuL?? I think it was more that most governments of the 30s eridani May 2013 #44

That's what I said Recursion May 2013 #45

Because they have no clue what the National SOCIALIST Party stood for. kestrel91316 May 2013 #25

Because the Nazis called themselves "socialists"--and every right winger "knows" Lydia Leftcoast May 2013 #26

This ^^^^^^^ treestar May 2013 #62

Just ask any loud-mouthed Republican Mr.Bill May 2013 #27

Because Hitler was about the evillest guy anybody can think of, The Velveteen Ocelot May 2013 #28

Hitler was a Conservative Authoritarian. Dash87 May 2013 #29

Except Stalin wasn't a leftist, either Scootaloo May 2013 #53

Stalin was a leftist. Hitler was far-right. Dash87 May 2013 #57

Stalin, as Lenin, believed and practised State Capitalism. Democracyinkind May 2013 #69

THey are so far to the right even Atilla the Hun seems too left Rosa Luxemburg May 2013 #30

They just want to distance themselves. abelenkpe May 2013 #31

If you keep repeating the same thing defacto7 May 2013 #34

Conservatives project ArcticFox May 2013 #35

Check out the Ludwig Von Mises Institute... Agnosticsherbet May 2013 #36

I think it might be worth removing the beam from our own thread first... N.T. Donald Ian Rankin May 2013 #43

Curious biblical refernence. Agnosticsherbet May 2013 #83

That this thread is full of people who cannot believe Donald Ian Rankin May 2013 #84

Yes, there are a few here. There are totalitarian mass murderers on both the left and the right. Agnosticsherbet May 2013 #85

I don't. Donald Ian Rankin May 2013 #86

The US has drifted far enough right that some Rreich economic policy is to the left of us now Recursion May 2013 #37

Ignorance. Stupidity. They're liars. Zoeisright May 2013 #38

Left and right are nonsense labels. David__77 May 2013 #40

Because they're liars. Jamaal510 May 2013 #41

Because on some issues he was. Look up e.g. his welfare policies. Donald Ian Rankin May 2013 #42

His welfare policies were basically Bismarck's welfare policies eridani May 2013 #47

purely military infrastructure. Democracyinkind May 2013 #48

For Keynsian purposes, infrastructure is infrastructure eridani May 2013 #49

military spending is a form of public consumption Democracyinkind May 2013 #50

Bismarck implemented the first "old age pensions" Kolesar May 2013 #55

"Volkish equality" was not leftist policy Scootaloo May 2013 #54

The early NSDAP did have a number of "leftist" position points... JHB May 2013 #56

Exactly this. backscatter712 May 2013 #64

great post... also Democracyinkind May 2013 #70

You said it yourself MattBaggins May 2013 #63

For the same reason they think Iraq had WMD, Downtown Hound May 2013 #66

Because they hear the "Socialist" part of "National Socialist Party" Arkana May 2013 #71

Rewriting history /nt War Horse May 2013 #75

Same reason vampires don't like mirrors sarisataka May 2013 #76

Because they don't know their butts from a hole in the ground. That's why. Zen Democrat May 2013 #77

Nazis merged with monarchists to have power rest in one individual. That's how they paint Obama. SleeplessinSoCal May 2013 #78

Because.. LeftishBrit May 2013 #80

because conservatives and especially repugs seem to lie a lot samsingh May 2013 #81

Jonah Goldberg Taught Them To, Sir The Magistrate May 2013 #82

because he was a conservative arely staircase May 2013 #88

No clue damnedifIknow May 2013 #94

Because WILLFUL MISINTERPRETATION is what the do emulatorloo May 2013 #95