Why are there so many apologists on this board for the civil liberties overreaches of this...

[Anansi1171]

55. Let's impeach! Impeach! Impeach! Impeach!

That's the only way to hold this administration accountable, right?

So lets impeach him for his gross violations of civil liberties and hand the mantle of governance over to those that value civil liberties like the Tea Party in 2014 and Rand Paul in 2016. Seems to me that's a fait accompli now, as folks like you refuse to give the President the benefit of the doubt. At least you will have the strength of your convictions, realpolitik be damned.

I feel much better now, having voted for Ralph Nader in 2000, I had thought I had made a terribly naive mistake in forsaking the DLC for the sort of Third Way choice that's so advocated by progressives here that are every bit as dogmatic in their moralizing as any southern baptist preacher. I thought maybe I was in a dangerous state of denial about what the United States truly is and the ugly realities of actually governing. I thought my choice, along with others who simply wanted to do right by their ideals and their aspirations for the possibility of a new and better world, had in fact helped to bring about incalculable harm to those same.

So be disgusted and appalled, I will lean on Voltaire for my support of your right to express those feeling.

But accusing anyone of like mind of "groupthink" in giving the administration the benefit of the doubt? From my vantage point, sadly, it is this point of view that is in the minority here on DU. The AP shouldn't have taken the leak out of the time-frame the administration graciously requested and they were playing simple partisan politics, and the leaker broke the law. The "secret" subpoena was a subpoena nonetheless. The Tea Party Patriots are completely gaming the system and can kiss my ass. Benghazi is a tragedy and if blame is to be found its likely with the CIA and I would not be surprised if it was a frame-up.

If you're so blindly-outaged as to help the down-fall of this administration, mistakes and all, even grave mistakes, then yes-I'm sure I disgust you. I have no desire - none- to see political power relinquished at this moment. I saw Sunni thugs kill their poor Shia and Druze neighbors for simple greed and dress it up behind political and religious rhetoric and I know that is what the Tea Party is and that is what they would and will do when given the chance. I cannot countenance the alternative. I am black, my three young children are black, and I take the Freepers at their word.

So please be appalled and disgusted, but do not accuse me of groupthink, please.