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ProSense

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85. I notice

Tue May 14, 2013, 07:14 PM

May 2013

Why are there so many apologists on this board for the civil liberties overreaches of this...
...administration?

Disgusting and appalling. The kind of groupthink for the other side that used to be justifiably noted, parodied, and made fun of on this board.

Until many posters on this board realized -- Pogo-like -- that they have seen the political toadying, and it was them.

... people who buy whatever the media and anti-Obama sources are selling.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022843810

Maybe on a discussion board, there will be disagreements. Learn to live with them and defend your arguments.

A thread simply to scream "apologists" and "groupthink" and vehemently demand that people accept your POV seems ironically authoritarian.

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Why are there so many apologists on this board for the civil liberties overreaches of this... [View all] villager May 2013 OP

Was looking for the person who outed Valerie Plame CJCRANE May 2013 #1

Journalists were directly subpoenaed. None of this back door 3rd party bullshit. Luminous Animal May 2013 #42

going to continue that BS argument despite being corrected this morning? frylock May 2013 #105

it's freaking the hell out of me. I don't know what to say beyond cali May 2013 #2

Happy to be the first K&R. Melinda May 2013 #3

Defending party, not principle.... on point May 2013 #4

But what will happen to the party if we don't focus on principle? Yo_Mama May 2013 #119

Too many start with the question, morningfog May 2013 #5

For a second ... JoePhilly May 2013 #12

+44. they indeed are happy. But then they never were happy in 2008 or 2012 in the 1st place graham4anything May 2013 #30

you are both WRONG Skittles May 2013 #34

you are entitled to your opinion as we all are. graham4anything May 2013 #37

not opinion, FACT Skittles May 2013 #38

It was correctly called OPINION jaysunb May 2013 #50

+ a million. Go get'em, jaysun Number23 May 2013 #82

get 'em? Skittles May 2013 #87

Witty as ever. Truly. Number23 May 2013 #90

THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!! Skittles May 2013 #92

Oh, the pleasure is all mine. You Better Believe It. Number23 May 2013 #93

creepy Skittles May 2013 #97

Don't be so hard on yourself. Number23 May 2013 #100

Excellent comeback! BlueCaliDem May 2013 #113

Perhaps they want to make sure they know the facts. Just because the media says its so, doesn't still_one May 2013 #6

Facts, Facts??? We don't need no stinking facts. JoePhilly May 2013 #9

When the press goes out of their way to get the views from folks from the bush administration, I still_one May 2013 #16

No argument there. JoePhilly May 2013 #21

in the case of the Niceguy1 May 2013 #23

K&R quinnox May 2013 #7

I don't think all of the story is out there upaloopa May 2013 #8

Who said, with respect to the AP story: AnotherMcIntosh May 2013 #17

Let's look at the second qoute you posted ... JoePhilly May 2013 #26

The word often means... bobclark86 May 2013 #63

Like I said I don't think all of the story is out there upaloopa May 2013 #28

You qualified what you said by saying, "Why do so many accept the Faux News version of all this?" AnotherMcIntosh May 2013 #101

This is NOT about one story. :-/ n/t DeSwiss May 2013 #58

With regard to the IRS story, I agree. JDPriestly May 2013 #64

^^ This. winter is coming May 2013 #73

There is some middle ground between geek tragedy May 2013 #10

+1 CJCRANE May 2013 #15

maybe G_j May 2013 #22

just like when people get accused of being authoritarian fanboy worshippers . . nt geek tragedy May 2013 #24

very true G_j May 2013 #31

This message was self-deleted by its author bvar22 May 2013 #71

+1000 maddezmom May 2013 #86

Maybe because they are neither liberals nor progressives. AnotherMcIntosh May 2013 #11

No "Maybe" about it. nt NorthCarolina May 2013 #115

Blind faith, blind allegiance are exactly what the powers that be want most in a people. Fire Walk With Me May 2013 #13

+1 KoKo May 2013 #25

-1 but then everyone has an angle.Everyone knows everyone's angle.redux. graham4anything May 2013 #40

And YOURS is to REPEATEDLY excuse behaviour in the current Administration,... TheMadMonk May 2013 #116

It's O, it's a Dem -- Hell Hath No Fury May 2013 #14

Where was the DU outrage when Judith Miller was jailed for not telling who her source was JoePhilly May 2013 #29

I was pissed off. Luminous Animal May 2013 #45

That was one reporter with one source, not the entire New York Times for 2 months. dkf May 2013 #51

That source turned out to be two-faced and only wanted to line his pockets. asjr May 2013 #66

Ah, so the issue is the number of people. JoePhilly May 2013 #72

Yes. It should have been targeted if anything. dkf May 2013 #88

Some republicans had a tenuous grasp on sanity and so started calling themselves Democrats? n/t Egalitarian Thug May 2013 #18

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl May 2013 #19

pretty much Johonny May 2013 #32

Because my friend, it's the LAW and not an overreach. Zen Democrat May 2013 #20

I don't know about you but... randome May 2013 #27

they are Groupies Skittles May 2013 #33

whatever, I can remember you all in swoon over Hillary. MjolnirTime May 2013 #36

I WAS NOT A HILLARY SUPPORTER Skittles May 2013 #39

I get that regularly, too. Marr May 2013 #109

not to mention John the fraud Edwards, who used a whisper campaign against the other 2 graham4anything May 2013 #43

Why did you make this President into an enemy to be defeated?? MjolnirTime May 2013 #35

When did this administration make his most ardent supporters an enemy to be shunned? villager May 2013 #46

Don't bother trying to figure it out, NorthCarolina May 2013 #118

I can find no possible excuse or rationalization for the continued unConstitutional actions of POTUS Fire Walk With Me May 2013 #80

Welcome to the Flintstone Era loaded with DINOs. nt valerief May 2013 #41

thanks..but I will wait..... chillfactor May 2013 #44

When the main outers of these civil liberties Progressive dog May 2013 #47

Cult of personallity worshippers and pride. L0oniX May 2013 #48

"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power... Southerner May 2013 #49

What distinguishes you guys from Teabaggers? I'll be damned if I can tell the diff anymore. Tarheel_Dem May 2013 #52

Wrong on... well, pretty much all counts, Tarheel! villager May 2013 #54

I'm gonna let this thread die a proper death. I won't be "explaining" anything further. Tarheel_Dem May 2013 #78

Kucinich was trying to blame Pres Obama on fox screws the other day.. Cha May 2013 #67

You could've just used your "You Never Really Loved Him" stamp. Marr May 2013 #69

Ya Better Believe It! treestar May 2013 #75

Not sure why right of center folks keep making the mistake of associating Kucinich with Ron Paul. NorthCarolina May 2013 #122

what I still find disgustig and appalling after all these years... Whisp May 2013 #53

Let's impeach! Impeach! Impeach! Impeach! Anansi1171 May 2013 #55

Fuck Ralph Nader. Ikonoklast May 2013 #77

So many? George II May 2013 #56

What specific breaches of civil liberties are you referring to? JDPriestly May 2013 #57

JD, it's true that there are deeply institutional assaults on our civil liberties, that transcend villager May 2013 #60

What's the point of being in government if you can't sic the IRS on your enemies? Nye Bevan May 2013 #59

Loyalty Oafs. Octafish May 2013 #61

+1 villager May 2013 #62

+1 Marr May 2013 #70

but it's just OPINIONS, don't you know? Skittles May 2013 #89

Loyalty. Obedience. woo me with science May 2013 #117

ROFLMAO !!! - K & R !!! WillyT May 2013 #126

Pain avoidance Junkdrawer May 2013 #128

I consider the source(s). The MSM is tainted by bias to the GOP, & the GOP is hellbent on destroying Hekate May 2013 #65

Add my name Vietnameravet May 2013 #81

+1. And hellbent DU'ers are more than happy to jump on the GOP/Bandwagon emulatorloo May 2013 #120

I think some will actually feel justified... Hekate May 2013 #125

Because we're waiting for the facts Politicub May 2013 #68

So people who don't agree with you on everything are all the things you say in your post? treestar May 2013 #74

How about some examples? texshelters May 2013 #76

This board is heavily propagandized. woo me with science May 2013 #79

! Phlem May 2013 #83

+1 daleanime May 2013 #91

Hammer meet nail. NorthCarolina May 2013 #127

This board is heavily propagandized by Pot-Stirrers emulatorloo May 2013 #129

This is a partisan website Cal Carpenter May 2013 #84

I notice ProSense May 2013 #85

Because the enemy of my enemy is my friend even when he is also my enemy Addison May 2013 #94

My opinion. timdog44 May 2013 #95

+1 MetasticTwine May 2013 #98

My knee jerk reaction was... golfguru May 2013 #96

Maybe some of us want to wait for all the facts to come out first before freaking out? Proud Liberal Dem May 2013 #99

My thoughts timdog44 May 2013 #102

When politics is a sport...you will defend your team nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #103

Fair question. H2O Man May 2013 #104

Not a fair question. timdog44 May 2013 #111

Geez can we at least wait.... humbled_opinion May 2013 #106

So we are suppose to be John2 May 2013 #107

Same sheep Eddie Haskell May 2013 #108

Some put party above everything. Skip Intro May 2013 #110

Thank you. nt woo me with science May 2013 #124

"Americans" who criticize our country during time of war are giving aid and comfort to the enemy Douglas Carpenter May 2013 #112

A spade is a spade no matter who holds the hand. AAO May 2013 #114

Perhaps "Thanks, Obama!?!" isn't always the right response to a problem bhikkhu May 2013 #121

Why is there a handful of loud DU'ers so eager to join the Rightwing Noise Machine? emulatorloo May 2013 #123

Locking Turborama May 2013 #130