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krispos42

(49,445 posts)
25. Of course they are
Wed May 29, 2013, 12:41 AM
May 2013

They're soulless, amoral corporate entities. The fact that they are bloodsuckers is a given, just like every other corporation. That's not the issue.


The issue is that the gun makers are 2 steps removed from the gun dealers. Gun maker -> gun distributor -> gun dealer -> gun's first retail sale.


What you're asking them to do, essentially, is when a gun dealer is merely accused of selling guns illegally to people, the gun makers should stop selling guns to the distributor that supplies the gun dealer... and dozens or hundreds or thousands of other dealers.

Obviously, that's a hard sell to make. "Sorry, New England, you don't get our guns because Big Roy's Gun Distribution sold guns to Jimbo's Second Amendment Warehouse, and Jimbo sold a gun illegally, so we're not selling guns to Big Roy anymore, indefinitely, forever."



And I don't think it's more than few thousand guns a year.

In 2010, with a gun, there were about 122k robberies, 136k aggravated assaults, 66k rapes, and 8.5k homicides.

The total is in the region of 333k violent crimes where a gun was used.

That is 2.08% of all guns sold in the US, give or take.

Now, since something like 80-plus percent of all crime guns are either stolen or purchased with straw buyers, and the most of the balance is stuff like intra-family violence with a legally-purchased gun, then that can only leave a couple of percentage points of that 333k open to new guns (or even used guns) sold illegally by a dealer to a disqualified person.

So, assuming that 2% of all gun-related violent crime are committed, each with a gun that was purchased by a disqualified person by a shady gun dealer, you have about 6,500 guns. Assuming the gun isn't re-used during the year, of course.


That's how I look at it. Now, there is no doubt that gun dealers are deliberately selling both new and used guns to disqualified persons for some under-the-table cash. Of course some are doing it; statistically, how could it be otherwise?

It just seems unlikely that it's more than tiny fraction of gun sales.

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technically hes right, until conviction the guys innocent. loli phabay May 2013 #1
No, technically he is an mikeysnot May 2013 #2
Not as far as weapons are concerned, under federal law. Robb May 2013 #4
Well, that's one gunnie fail Cirque du So-What May 2013 #7
Except when it's ACORN or Planned Parenthood MattBaggins May 2013 #5
In the eyes of the law only Major Nikon May 2013 #13
And morality has no place here? I bet he goes to church with his grandkids on Sundays and the rhett o rick May 2013 #21
True, technically the man must be proven guilty in court. cheyanne May 2013 #3
That's not how the law is worded. AtheistCrusader May 2013 #16
That is correct. Fuddnik May 2013 #17
If only you had been buying several hundred guns, you apparently wouldn't have had that delay. nt Robb May 2013 #18
OK, let's be honest for a moment shall we? Savannahmann May 2013 #6
Under federal law, anyone under such indictment Robb May 2013 #9
Innocent till proven guilty . . . caseymoz May 2013 #41
as long as his companies profits aren't hurt, it's all cool. gotta keep the guns flowing! neverforget May 2013 #8
So you're saying everyone should stop doing business with everyone rl6214 May 2013 #10
Read the thread. Robb May 2013 #12
I always love the "so you are saying" posts where you say rhett o rick May 2013 #22
Glocksucker. Orrex May 2013 #11
I bet that got some here excited, if you know what I mean. nm rhett o rick May 2013 #23
Profit immensely? I doubt it. krispos42 May 2013 #14
obviously it's more than a few thousand BainsBane May 2013 #15
Yeah... bobclark86 May 2013 #19
Yes, it is true about most industries BainsBane May 2013 #20
Wonder how many... bobclark86 May 2013 #32
I don't take orders BainsBane May 2013 #40
It's not like krispos42's post caseymoz May 2013 #42
Of course they are krispos42 May 2013 #25
Other manufacturers are responsible for their products BainsBane May 2013 #26
So do I... krispos42 May 2013 #27
First, are all gun company clients really distributors? caseymoz May 2013 #43
This is idiotic. hack89 May 2013 #24
Gun industry: This is still America... AndyA May 2013 #28
Gun manufacturers are geniuses: they fool a bunch of gunner idiots into thinking it's about liberty alcibiades_mystery May 2013 #29
So he openly admits to dealing with criminals EC May 2013 #30
f*cking gun fetishists need to start spending time in jail bowens43 May 2013 #31
Post removed Post removed May 2013 #38
I think more corporate CEOs sulphurdunn May 2013 #33
Wasn't he sentenced to seven years in prison earlier this week for some other crime? n/t malaise May 2013 #34
Last year. He stole money from Glock. Robb May 2013 #35
Thanks yes that's it malaise May 2013 #36
Here's a link - well worth watching malaise May 2013 #37
“I don’t even know what a gun trafficker is.” SunSeeker May 2013 #39
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