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DesertFlower

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28. i'm not anti-vaccine, but i

Sat Jun 1, 2013, 10:52 PM

Jun 2013

do think too many are given to children at such a young age. the european countries don't do half as many as we do.

as a child i had measles, chicken pox and whooping cough. never got the mumps even though i was exposed as a child -- my couisin had them and i was playing with her right before she got them -- then when i was in my late 20s my son got them. i was laying on the couch with him and never got them. guess i had an immunity.

my son also had measles and chicken pox. he was born in '61. i don't recall the shots being offered -- then again we didn't have health insurance.

i was born in '41 and lived in fear of polio. i have scoliosis and several docs think i might have had a mild case that went undiagnosed. who knows? i guess i got the vaccine when it became available.

that being said i know a naturapathic doc who had 6 children -- none of them were vaccinated and they're all healthy adults now.

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Robert F Kennedy Jr compares childhood vaccines to Nazi Death Camps... [View all] Godhumor Jun 2013 OP

My Psychological Grandmother had Polio. She could have lived a MichiganVote Jun 2013 #1

To have someone like Kennedy corrupted just hurts Godhumor Jun 2013 #3

Autism is a pretty desperate thing. Sadly, in my experiene, very good experience MichiganVote Jun 2013 #5

I disagree. Autism is as prevelent as they say. liberal_at_heart Jun 2013 #31

It is a real diagnosis of that there is not doubt. But physicians do not account for MichiganVote Jun 2013 #33

that is why a family physician who spots early warning signs will refer you to a liberal_at_heart Jun 2013 #34

Then your guy did the right thing. Unfortunatly others do not. MichiganVote Jun 2013 #35

How do you know they aren't? liberal_at_heart Jun 2013 #37

Because I work in this domain and you don't. Now stop with the stuff. MichiganVote Jun 2013 #38

of course they are not always correct. That does not mean there is some overdiagnosis crisis. liberal_at_heart Jun 2013 #39

Begging your pardon, I did not state that there is an overdiagnosis crisis. MichiganVote Jun 2013 #41

He has a good heart, he means well, but he's not the sharpest knife, and he's easily led. MADem Jun 2013 #53

"Wrong" isn't the same as "corrupted", surely? N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2013 #111

Yes, I am with you Taverner Jun 2013 #201

What if i may ask is a... Bay Boy Jun 2013 #6

I'm pretty curious about that one myself. LuvNewcastle Jun 2013 #8

I hope not. See below. MichiganVote Jun 2013 #12

:) She was a retired School Social Worker. They used to call them MichiganVote Jun 2013 #10

Facist arely staircase Jun 2013 #7

Oh I'm far worse than that. I am a realist in an unreal age. :) MichiganVote Jun 2013 #11

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Jun 2013 #26

Agreed. I realize that our drug companies are suspect of many things, MichiganVote Jun 2013 #27

My wife is now bedridden from polio in 1935. Bet she would have liked for a Salk/Sabin-type indepat Jun 2013 #90

I Got Polio One Month Before Vaccine otohara Jun 2013 #109

So I followed links and found that RFK Jr. has a taped conversation between Offit.... Junkdrawer Jun 2013 #2

Ah yes, his infamous claim that he will rat out the government if they don't clean up vaccines Godhumor Jun 2013 #4

Not to worry. After reading this thread no one will even THINK.... Junkdrawer Jun 2013 #14

Vaccines need to be cleaned up! - you are the fruit loop! womanofthehills Jun 2013 #44

There is a fund because Are_grits_groceries Jun 2013 #49

My question would be Heywood J Jun 2013 #129

step out of the hills for a bit snooper2 Jun 2013 #133

And there are people who have serious reactions to Tylenol and ibuprofin XemaSab Jun 2013 #202

No he has a rational mind and he has the facts. truedelphi Jun 2013 #103

sure, let me refute everything with one point. Godhumor Jun 2013 #106

uh actually there was ONE case that made the headlines truedelphi Jun 2013 #108

it did not cause autism, it caused autism-like symptoms Godhumor Jun 2013 #110

Actruallyt he pre-existing condition was a mitochondrial disorder truedelphi Jun 2013 #112

well, there are deluded parents who believe vaccines caused autism in their children Godhumor Jun 2013 #114

Oh baloney! truedelphi Jun 2013 #123

Uh huh... Scootaloo Jun 2013 #126

I won't hear a word said against Flinstones Chewables, because they're so damn tasty. Orrex Jun 2013 #132

Thanks Scootaloo Jun 2013 #136

Are you aware that in countless governmental agencies across the world truedelphi Jun 2013 #147

Horseshit... SidDithers Jun 2013 #151

Your entire argument boils down to a Post Hoc-Ergo Propter Hoc logical fallacy stevenleser Jun 2013 #161

Putting that argument aside, how do you (also Godhumor, Sid) interpret these historical facts. proverbialwisdom Jun 2013 #162

You haven't posted any facts. Link to a mainstream modern science or medical site please. nt stevenleser Jun 2013 #181

Preposterous. See post #144. Go directly to the Stanford link provided and skip the analysis by AOA. proverbialwisdom Jun 2013 #185

Here are facts I presented. truedelphi Jun 2013 #187

Fifteen separate citations found by one single parent truedelphi Jun 2013 #191

Which of my arguments? truedelphi Jun 2013 #186

What a load of hooey MattBaggins Jun 2013 #165

+100 zappaman Jun 2013 #139

Great post! LeftishBrit Jun 2013 #152

Thank you and very nice to find a few truedelphi Jun 2013 #160

I was replying to Scootaloo's post, so don't thank me! LeftishBrit Jun 2013 #199

Vaccines caused a mitochondrial disorder? MattBaggins Jun 2013 #164

Not proven. Zoeisright Jun 2013 #122

"there is no credible proof that the autism/vaccine situation is not worrisome" MattBaggins Jun 2013 #163

Scroll down, please. proverbialwisdom Jun 2013 #195

You know, I was content to let this thread die, but holy shit your link is just awful Godhumor Jun 2013 #198

FOCUS. I linked to a post reproducing package inserts citing adverse reactions ONLY, as described. proverbialwisdom Jun 2013 #200

I addressed the inserts Godhumor Jun 2013 #203

Let's take the site off the table then, although the site authors did the research. proverbialwisdom Jun 2013 #205

RFK Jr. A shameful, ignorant buffoon. longship Jun 2013 #9

I think it is more the unfortunate influence of Hollywood betterdemsonly Jun 2013 #121

This message was self-deleted by its author alp227 Jun 2013 #156

Hasn't the vaccines-autism thing been comprehensively debunked? (nt) Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #13

Yes and I find it sad as a mom of an autistic child to see him repeat these claims maddezmom Jun 2013 #16

me too and getting my son vaccinated was hell but I did it. liberal_at_heart Jun 2013 #36

There was no de-bunking. However, due to how Americans have been brain washed, truedelphi Jun 2013 #206

Only if you buy into that sciency stuff. Dr. Strange Jun 2013 #92

Lost all respect for Kennedy when he published his dumbass anti-vax article... SidDithers Jun 2013 #15

The green our vaccines thing in 2009 was pretty bad, too Godhumor Jun 2013 #18

Yup... SidDithers Jun 2013 #22

I don't get why RFK Jr. would drink the kool-aide on this issue... Blue_Tires Jun 2013 #134

Maybe (obviously) he knows more than he's being given credit for on this thread. proverbialwisdom Jun 2013 #145

Or perhaps his law firm sees the money to be made MattBaggins Jun 2013 #166

On the enviroment the young Kennedy is a great man who should be listened to dsc Jun 2013 #17

I have been very reluctant for reasons below, but you made me do it. Check it out, all 9:07 minutes. proverbialwisdom Jun 2013 #146

Well, that really sucks. TransitJohn Jun 2013 #19

Nut...job. eom NaturalHigh Jun 2013 #20

Too bad we don't have an antistupidity vaccine. hobbit709 Jun 2013 #21

/thread...nt SidDithers Jun 2013 #23

This is what woo can do. Archae Jun 2013 #24

Childhood diseases are returning due to the anti-vaxxers cpwm17 Jun 2013 #32

Some of them like to say that they're only endangering themselves Mariana Jun 2013 #42

And then there are kids who can't be vaccinated for medical reasons, and babies who are too young LeftishBrit Jun 2013 #97

Wow, just wow!!!! Beacool Jun 2013 #25

i'm not anti-vaccine, but i DesertFlower Jun 2013 #28

You may be interested in the CDC info. MichiganVote Jun 2013 #29

You may be interested to know that CDC decided, in 1969, to continue the Tuskeegee syphilis HiPointDem Jun 2013 #46

The problem is the mercury... davidn3600 Jun 2013 #51

You lack even a basic understanding of science EvolveOrConvolve Jun 2013 #63

And what did they replace it with? davidn3600 Jun 2013 #99

Again, you demonstrate a complete lack of understanding of science, and the medicine tied to it EvolveOrConvolve Jun 2013 #115

salt water is toxic MattBaggins Jun 2013 #170

You are wasting your time MattBaggins Jun 2013 #168

Death by a thousand cuts Mr. Baggins EvolveOrConvolve Jun 2013 #176

Most vaccines don't contain mercury nowadays. LeftishBrit Jun 2013 #100

Sodium, in small amounts, will kill you, so will Lithium, yet both are consumed in quantities... Humanist_Activist Jun 2013 #149

As a Europaean - we get almost as many vaccines as you do. LeftishBrit Jun 2013 #98

There may be something to PART Carolina Jun 2013 #141

exactly. i'm almost 72. DesertFlower Jun 2013 #148

60 here and glad of it Carolina Jun 2013 #155

i rarely eat fruit. it doesn't taste DesertFlower Jun 2013 #175

We could start our Carolina Jun 2013 #204

my grandparents were 5 houses away. most of my DesertFlower Jun 2013 #207

I'll be on the look out for you, DesertFlower Carolina Jun 2013 #210

Does anybody know if RFK Jr. has choie Jun 2013 #30

He is a lawyer MattBaggins Jun 2013 #171

Very sad. Starry Messenger Jun 2013 #40

i really have a problem with people like him madrchsod Jun 2013 #43

May I point out that RFK Jr claims that Thimerosal, *NOT* vaccination, ucrdem Jun 2013 #45

And all you offer are some lousy FACTS about what he REALLY said and about thimerosal!?!? DeSwiss Jun 2013 #47

+1 ucrdem Jun 2013 #48

What he really said... Major Nikon Jun 2013 #50

Yes, ''woo'' -- the place from whence science was born..... DeSwiss Jun 2013 #52

Advocating for locking people up for the "crime" of saving lives with science based on pseudoscience Major Nikon Jun 2013 #54

Heard of Dr. Poul Thorsen? proverbialwisdom Jun 2013 #192

Scathing April Fool's spoof post inspired by actual events. proverbialwisdom Jun 2013 #193

Fucking materialists. Everybody knows autism is caused by an imbalancing of the mind-sense. mathematic Jun 2013 #55

You got me.. Is that woo or satire? MattBaggins Jun 2013 #173

''woo'' -- the place from whence science was born..... SidDithers Jun 2013 #56

Thanks so very much for the links. Your post is why I continue to come to DU. It is possible to KittyWampus Jun 2013 #94

Really? MattBaggins Jun 2013 #174

+1000 for RAW Newest Reality Jun 2013 #154

Thanks for always being there with the comic relief MattBaggins Jun 2013 #172

Are you sure *every* fact of science was "once Damned"? *Every* invention considered impossible? Silent3 Jun 2013 #159

Well, he's still full of shit Orrex Jun 2013 #69

Some in Congress agree with him... ucrdem Jun 2013 #71

It's still bullshit, no matter who endorses it Orrex Jun 2013 #72

I just checked and RFK doesn't mention Wakefield anywhere in either article. ucrdem Jun 2013 #74

Wakefield is the source of anti-Thimerosal hysteria Orrex Jun 2013 #75

Why don't you just read the article, or at least the footnotes ucrdem Jun 2013 #77

I'm not going to read a 66 page article of bullshit Orrex Jun 2013 #79

You didn't read it, but you know it's bullshit. Okay. n/t ucrdem Jun 2013 #80

If it's the piece that he published in 2005, then it was bullshit when I read it eight years ago. Orrex Jun 2013 #82

Okay you didn't read it, except you did, and you asked for a citation, except you didn't. ucrdem Jun 2013 #86

So you've got nothing. Orrex Jun 2013 #88

I have ignore, and you're not making sense, so goodbye. n/t ucrdem Jun 2013 #93

And thus the cause of science is advanced. Orrex Jun 2013 #102

All roads lead to Rome. Chan790 Jun 2013 #76

Lilly has known about this since 1935. ucrdem Jun 2013 #78

p.s. here is the complete citation: ucrdem Jun 2013 #96

Thank you for the link. Petrushka Jun 2013 #127

Oh sure. "Unsatisfactory as a serum intended for use on dogs.” ucrdem Jun 2013 #143

Until I began reading that article, I didn't know . . . Petrushka Jun 2013 #150

Adding neurotoxic ethyl mercury germicide to required pediatric vaccinations, ucrdem Jun 2013 #190

Wrong? Wrong? Well . . . for one thing . . . Petrushka Jun 2013 #208

Ah, yes. Congress. The arbiter of good science. Liberal Veteran Jun 2013 #211

RFK Jr. has slipped over the edge of reason on this one. MineralMan Jun 2013 #57

Woo etherealtruth Jun 2013 #58

Discover magazine found 'upper class' leans republican. Octafish Jun 2013 #59

Honest question, in am not sure of what you are stating Godhumor Jun 2013 #60

One of DU's biggest conspiracy theorist is trying to defend his hero RFK Jr... SidDithers Jun 2013 #61

Labels are so you, siddithers. Octafish Jun 2013 #62

No, octafish... SidDithers Jun 2013 #64

That must be why, when I ask you to show where I'm wrong, you can't. Octafish Jun 2013 #65

I guess it's somewhat better to defend RFK Jr, rather than defending Lee Harvey Oswald, eh? zappaman Jun 2013 #73

As opposed to what, mentioning how George Herbert Walker Bush was in Dallas on Nov. 22, 1963? Octafish Jun 2013 #81

Let's see, RFK Jr. a genuine Democrat and a Liberal not known for being a CT v Sid. sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #124

I look forward to your apology... SidDithers Jun 2013 #128

Well, I've never seen you be right about too many things frankly, so if you did turn out to be sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #131

Well Sid Dithers... zappaman Jun 2013 #113

I had hundreds of journal posts, with incredible details about JFK... SidDithers Jun 2013 #117

Most telling you find humor in the assassinations of President Kennedy and Sen. Kennedy. Octafish Jun 2013 #135

Meet blogger Keith Kloor Octafish Jun 2013 #66

yes, yes he had a spat with another blogger Godhumor Jun 2013 #67

I'll side with RFK, Jr. Octafish Jun 2013 #68

Then, quite simply, you are choosing wrong Godhumor Jun 2013 #70

You know he said those things? You heard a recording? You read a transcript? Octafish Jun 2013 #85

talking in circles now. Kennedy is wrong Godhumor Jun 2013 #87

"Kennedy is making the situation thousands of times worse... zappaman Jun 2013 #91

Maybe "gullible people" actually read his articles. ucrdem Jun 2013 #189

science does not show mercury, even in trace amounts, to be safe for humans MattBaggins Jun 2013 #177

Dude you can't even spell it. n/t ucrdem Jun 2013 #188

I can't even spell what? MattBaggins Jun 2013 #197

Bookmarking... SidDithers Jun 2013 #84

You better believe it! zappaman Jun 2013 #89

Gotta say, I don't miss the daily David Michael Green updates. name not needed Jun 2013 #95

Well, there's a blast from the past... SidDithers Jun 2013 #116

At least you didn't have to sit through his lectures. name not needed Jun 2013 #120

He's completely jumped the shark. No telling how many people around the world have been kept from kestrel91316 Jun 2013 #83

Apart from anything else... LeftishBrit Jun 2013 #101

Another nutcase. How sad. idwiyo Jun 2013 #104

Total Fail on RFK jr's part. GoneOffShore Jun 2013 #105

Um yeah, same thing. Iggo Jun 2013 #107

Why, Bobby Jr., why? AverageJoe90 Jun 2013 #118

Yeah, it's like he doesn't trust authority figures for some reason. Bucky Jun 2013 #167

Whatever the case..... AverageJoe90 Jun 2013 #179

Disappointed to see RFK Jr. put his name down supporting this lethal woo. n/t backscatter712 Jun 2013 #119

This thread is filled with distortions. Read what remains online of the original pulled post. proverbialwisdom Jun 2013 #125

The only distgortions are coming from insane people like RFK Jr geek tragedy Jun 2013 #130

Here's a new video which provides historical evidence suggesting otherwise. proverbialwisdom Jun 2013 #137

Age of Autism? No thanks. Have better things to do with my time. MattBaggins Jun 2013 #178

You won't multitask and simply listen to the narration ONCE while doing something else? proverbialwisdom Jun 2013 #182

Facts are indeed facts MattBaggins Jun 2013 #183

The video summarizes explosive historical findings about the first cases of autism ever documented. proverbialwisdom Jun 2013 #184

Just a note to say "Thank you for the link." Petrushka Jun 2013 #209

These are astonishing historical facts, aren't they? Find any alternate interpretations anywhere? proverbialwisdom Jun 2013 #213

After viewing the video---and doing a bit of google searching . . . Petrushka Jun 2013 #214

Here is an even newer video AnalystInParadise Jun 2013 #196

One non sequitur deserves another. Read, then look in a mirror, please. proverbialwisdom Jun 2013 #212

"Well, we never liked him anyway" right? Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #138

Kick for exposure of wacky anti-vaxxers who are here on DU. zappaman Jun 2013 #140

Lack of nuance does great disservice to that argument and is out-of-date among experts except Offit. proverbialwisdom Jun 2013 #144

Related worthwhile thread. proverbialwisdom Jun 2013 #142

This message was self-deleted by its author mother earth Jun 2013 #153

That's my take too Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #157

This message was self-deleted by its author mother earth Jun 2013 #180

That shngles ad is telling people that they have a one in three chance of truedelphi Jun 2013 #194

he shouldn't host Ring of Fire anymore. And does he not understand science at all? alp227 Jun 2013 #158

My respect for Mr Kennedy just went down the toilet. Katashi_itto Jun 2013 #169