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In reply to the discussion: Robert F Kennedy Jr compares childhood vaccines to Nazi Death Camps... [View all]proverbialwisdom
(4,959 posts)125. This thread is filled with distortions. Read what remains online of the original pulled post.
It was a METAPHOR. Although I didn't personally care for it, I'm withholding judgement.
Dan Olmsted writes:
Each of us will have our highlights from last weekends extraordinary Autism One gathering in Chicago, but for me it was Bobby Kennedy Jr. saying, To my mind this is like the Nazi death camps.
This is the imprisonment of so many of our children in the grip of autism. Talk about cutting through the neurodiverse claptrap!
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Those who can advocate for themselves should do so. Move right along, please. Those who cannot have advocates like their parents and RFK Jr. who are sick of mincing words.
"But the scale of the catastrophe, the immensity of the denial, the suffering of the victims do justify the language."
http://annedachel.com/2013/05/29/rfk-jr-nazi-death-camps-and-the-battle-for-our-future/
Anne Dachel, Media
May 29
It was energizing to listen of RFK Jr. Things will never be the same.
Comment:
Making any comparison to Nazi Germany is not going to be popular, but when it fits, it fits. We are well past the time when anyone can say they just didnt know. Health officials understand as well as we do what this bloated, toxic vaccine schedule is doing to children and they arent stopping it. Maybe they have some bizarre logic going on in their heads telling themselves that a generation of chronically ill and disabled children is an acceptable loss because they honestly believe so many lives have been saved by vaccines.
Thats hardly a defense, but in the end itll probably be the only one left to them. Its a pathetic excuse for sacrificing a generation of children on the high altar of corporate greed.
Anne Dachel, Media
Anne Dachel, Media
May 29
It was energizing to listen of RFK Jr. Things will never be the same.
AGE OF AUTISM
Dan Olmsted
Each of us will have our highlights from last weekends extraordinary Autism One gathering in Chicago, but for me it was Bobby Kennedy Jr. saying, To my mind this is like the Nazi death camps.
This is the imprisonment of so many of our children in the grip of autism. Talk about cutting through the neurodiverse claptrap!
When Bobby Kennedy says something, it gives cover, in a sense, for others to use the same kind of language and frame the debate in the same kind of way. (Language that reminds me of David Kirbys phrase, the shuttered hell of autism, in Evidence of Harm.)
Those who can advocate for themselves should do so. Move right along, please. Those who cannot have advocates like their parents and RFK Jr. who are sick of mincing words.
Of course, playing what some call the Nazi card is always a risk. Ive been bashed for it when I compared the mainstream media to the how could we have known! German citizens in the face of the Holocaust (and Im well aware Im handing Orac his next feces-flinging column). Note that Bobby wasnt calling those whove enabled the autism epidemic Hitlers (just as I was not saying that about the media).
But the scale of the catastrophe, the immensity of the denial, the suffering of the victims do justify the language.
The enablers may not belong in Nuremburg, but they do belong in jail, Bobby said. I would do a lot to see Paul Offit and all these good people behind bars, he said, after listing Offits litany of lies and profit. Just to make sure people got the point, he returned to it in his speech. Is it hyperbole to say they should be in jail? They should be in jail and the key should be thrown away.
He quoted his fathers despair over the U.S. dropping napalm on Vietnamese villages and wondering if we are really any better than the Germans were. And he quoted Bible verse to say that if anyone harms so much as a hair on the head of a child, it would have been better if they were never born.
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Kennedy has put together a book-length treatment on the dangers of ethylmercury, given every year to 84 million children around the world including the United States (in prenatal and infant flu shots). He wants to get meetings with the CDC, AAP, FDA, etc., and get a commitment by the end of this summer to finally remove thimerosal from vaccines in one year. ONE year. If not, he said, hell publish the book.
If they dont do this, he said, this is what Im going to do with my life. Since theyre not going to do it, it looks like weve got a friend for life.
Comment:
Making any comparison to Nazi Germany is not going to be popular, but when it fits, it fits. We are well past the time when anyone can say they just didnt know. Health officials understand as well as we do what this bloated, toxic vaccine schedule is doing to children and they arent stopping it. Maybe they have some bizarre logic going on in their heads telling themselves that a generation of chronically ill and disabled children is an acceptable loss because they honestly believe so many lives have been saved by vaccines.
Thats hardly a defense, but in the end itll probably be the only one left to them. Its a pathetic excuse for sacrificing a generation of children on the high altar of corporate greed.
Anne Dachel, Media
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Robert F Kennedy Jr compares childhood vaccines to Nazi Death Camps... [View all]
Godhumor
Jun 2013
OP
Autism is a pretty desperate thing. Sadly, in my experiene, very good experience
MichiganVote
Jun 2013
#5
It is a real diagnosis of that there is not doubt. But physicians do not account for
MichiganVote
Jun 2013
#33
that is why a family physician who spots early warning signs will refer you to a
liberal_at_heart
Jun 2013
#34
of course they are not always correct. That does not mean there is some overdiagnosis crisis.
liberal_at_heart
Jun 2013
#39
Begging your pardon, I did not state that there is an overdiagnosis crisis.
MichiganVote
Jun 2013
#41
He has a good heart, he means well, but he's not the sharpest knife, and he's easily led.
MADem
Jun 2013
#53
My wife is now bedridden from polio in 1935. Bet she would have liked for a Salk/Sabin-type
indepat
Jun 2013
#90
So I followed links and found that RFK Jr. has a taped conversation between Offit....
Junkdrawer
Jun 2013
#2
Ah yes, his infamous claim that he will rat out the government if they don't clean up vaccines
Godhumor
Jun 2013
#4
well, there are deluded parents who believe vaccines caused autism in their children
Godhumor
Jun 2013
#114
I won't hear a word said against Flinstones Chewables, because they're so damn tasty.
Orrex
Jun 2013
#132
Your entire argument boils down to a Post Hoc-Ergo Propter Hoc logical fallacy
stevenleser
Jun 2013
#161
Putting that argument aside, how do you (also Godhumor, Sid) interpret these historical facts.
proverbialwisdom
Jun 2013
#162
You haven't posted any facts. Link to a mainstream modern science or medical site please. nt
stevenleser
Jun 2013
#181
Preposterous. See post #144. Go directly to the Stanford link provided and skip the analysis by AOA.
proverbialwisdom
Jun 2013
#185
"there is no credible proof that the autism/vaccine situation is not worrisome"
MattBaggins
Jun 2013
#163
You know, I was content to let this thread die, but holy shit your link is just awful
Godhumor
Jun 2013
#198
FOCUS. I linked to a post reproducing package inserts citing adverse reactions ONLY, as described.
proverbialwisdom
Jun 2013
#200
Let's take the site off the table then, although the site authors did the research.
proverbialwisdom
Jun 2013
#205
Yes and I find it sad as a mom of an autistic child to see him repeat these claims
maddezmom
Jun 2013
#16
There was no de-bunking. However, due to how Americans have been brain washed,
truedelphi
Jun 2013
#206
Lost all respect for Kennedy when he published his dumbass anti-vax article...
SidDithers
Jun 2013
#15
Maybe (obviously) he knows more than he's being given credit for on this thread.
proverbialwisdom
Jun 2013
#145
I have been very reluctant for reasons below, but you made me do it. Check it out, all 9:07 minutes.
proverbialwisdom
Jun 2013
#146
And then there are kids who can't be vaccinated for medical reasons, and babies who are too young
LeftishBrit
Jun 2013
#97
You may be interested to know that CDC decided, in 1969, to continue the Tuskeegee syphilis
HiPointDem
Jun 2013
#46
Again, you demonstrate a complete lack of understanding of science, and the medicine tied to it
EvolveOrConvolve
Jun 2013
#115
Sodium, in small amounts, will kill you, so will Lithium, yet both are consumed in quantities...
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2013
#149
And all you offer are some lousy FACTS about what he REALLY said and about thimerosal!?!?
DeSwiss
Jun 2013
#47
Advocating for locking people up for the "crime" of saving lives with science based on pseudoscience
Major Nikon
Jun 2013
#54
Fucking materialists. Everybody knows autism is caused by an imbalancing of the mind-sense.
mathematic
Jun 2013
#55
Thanks so very much for the links. Your post is why I continue to come to DU. It is possible to
KittyWampus
Jun 2013
#94
Are you sure *every* fact of science was "once Damned"? *Every* invention considered impossible?
Silent3
Jun 2013
#159
If it's the piece that he published in 2005, then it was bullshit when I read it eight years ago.
Orrex
Jun 2013
#82
Okay you didn't read it, except you did, and you asked for a citation, except you didn't.
ucrdem
Jun 2013
#86
One of DU's biggest conspiracy theorist is trying to defend his hero RFK Jr...
SidDithers
Jun 2013
#61
I guess it's somewhat better to defend RFK Jr, rather than defending Lee Harvey Oswald, eh?
zappaman
Jun 2013
#73
As opposed to what, mentioning how George Herbert Walker Bush was in Dallas on Nov. 22, 1963?
Octafish
Jun 2013
#81
Let's see, RFK Jr. a genuine Democrat and a Liberal not known for being a CT v Sid.
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#124
Well, I've never seen you be right about too many things frankly, so if you did turn out to be
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#131
Most telling you find humor in the assassinations of President Kennedy and Sen. Kennedy.
Octafish
Jun 2013
#135
science does not show mercury, even in trace amounts, to be safe for humans
MattBaggins
Jun 2013
#177
He's completely jumped the shark. No telling how many people around the world have been kept from
kestrel91316
Jun 2013
#83
Disappointed to see RFK Jr. put his name down supporting this lethal woo. n/t
backscatter712
Jun 2013
#119
This thread is filled with distortions. Read what remains online of the original pulled post.
proverbialwisdom
Jun 2013
#125
Here's a new video which provides historical evidence suggesting otherwise.
proverbialwisdom
Jun 2013
#137
You won't multitask and simply listen to the narration ONCE while doing something else?
proverbialwisdom
Jun 2013
#182
The video summarizes explosive historical findings about the first cases of autism ever documented.
proverbialwisdom
Jun 2013
#184
These are astonishing historical facts, aren't they? Find any alternate interpretations anywhere?
proverbialwisdom
Jun 2013
#213
One non sequitur deserves another. Read, then look in a mirror, please.
proverbialwisdom
Jun 2013
#212
Lack of nuance does great disservice to that argument and is out-of-date among experts except Offit.
proverbialwisdom
Jun 2013
#144
he shouldn't host Ring of Fire anymore. And does he not understand science at all?
alp227
Jun 2013
#158