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In reply to the discussion: Robert F Kennedy Jr compares childhood vaccines to Nazi Death Camps... [View all]proverbialwisdom
(4,959 posts)144. Lack of nuance does great disservice to that argument and is out-of-date among experts except Offit.
http://www.ageofautism.com/2013/06/sanford-us-dr-carl-feinstein-responds-to-autism-questions.html
June 3, 2013
Stanford U's Dr. Carl Feinstein Responds to Autism Questions
By Anne Dachel
On May 30, 2013, there was a piece on SCOPE, the Stanford University Medical School site, with the title, "Director of Stanford Autism Center responds to your questions on research and treatment." Link: http://scopeblog.stanford.edu/2013/05/30/director-of-stanford-autism-center-responds-to-your-questions-on-research-and-treatment/
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"How meaningful are environmental factors, such as nutrition and exposure to toxins during pregnancy, in terms of autism risk?"
Feinstein's answer:
Feinstein didn't tell us that all the autism is just better diagnosing of a genetic disorder that's always been around. He knows that environmental toxins are major players in neurological disorders like autism. He even knows about the mutagenic effects they have. He specifically cited MERCURY as a factor. Yet for some reason, he's not willing to talk about the horrendous level of untested mercury allowed in the majority of the flu vaccine that is recommended for pregnant women at all stages of pregnancy. He didn't mention anything about the other issues in the vaccine-autism debate like aluminum, human fetal cells, and the live viruses in the MMR vaccine.
That statement seemed to settle the issue, or did it?
"At present..." Does that mean that in the future vaccines may be shown to cause autism?
"It appears very unlikely...are a meaningful factor..." That's not the same thing as "there is absolutely no connection between vaccines and autism."
"In the vast majority of cases." So vaccines may be a casual factor in SOME cases?
Feinstein sounded a lot like Dr. David Amaral from the MIND Institute at UC-Davis and Dr. Martha Herbert from Harvard.
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June 3, 2013
Stanford U's Dr. Carl Feinstein Responds to Autism Questions
By Anne Dachel
On May 30, 2013, there was a piece on SCOPE, the Stanford University Medical School site, with the title, "Director of Stanford Autism Center responds to your questions on research and treatment." Link: http://scopeblog.stanford.edu/2013/05/30/director-of-stanford-autism-center-responds-to-your-questions-on-research-and-treatment/
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"How meaningful are environmental factors, such as nutrition and exposure to toxins during pregnancy, in terms of autism risk?"
Feinstein's answer:
"During pregnancy, proper nutrition and taking reasonable measures to avoid exposure to known environmental toxins are basic steps an expectant mother, and family, can take to promote a baby's health and minimize risks of medical problems for the newborn. This principle certainly applies to giving birth to a baby with a healthy brain and nervous system, and pregnant women should consume proper nutrients to support brain development. There are a number of known toxins, including lead, alcohol, mercury, tobacco, various insecticides, petrochemical products and some medicines that are harmful to fetal development. An important area of concern is our current environment and findings showing that food and water sources, and other common materials, can contain man-made chemicals.
"A great deal of scientific attention is now being focused on the potential consequences of some of these chemicals on the bodily organs, including the brain, as well as possible mutagenic or harmful effects on the reproductive organs and human genes. There is a very real basis for concern that environmental toxins play a direct causative role or increase the risk for neurodevelopmental disorders, including ASDs. There is now much research underway to discover what types of chemicals present in the environment might be causatively implicated in ASDs."
Feinstein didn't tell us that all the autism is just better diagnosing of a genetic disorder that's always been around. He knows that environmental toxins are major players in neurological disorders like autism. He even knows about the mutagenic effects they have. He specifically cited MERCURY as a factor. Yet for some reason, he's not willing to talk about the horrendous level of untested mercury allowed in the majority of the flu vaccine that is recommended for pregnant women at all stages of pregnancy. He didn't mention anything about the other issues in the vaccine-autism debate like aluminum, human fetal cells, and the live viruses in the MMR vaccine.
"At present, it appears very unlikely that vaccines of any type are a meaningful causal factor in the vast majority of cases of ASDs."
That statement seemed to settle the issue, or did it?
"At present..." Does that mean that in the future vaccines may be shown to cause autism?
"It appears very unlikely...are a meaningful factor..." That's not the same thing as "there is absolutely no connection between vaccines and autism."
"In the vast majority of cases." So vaccines may be a casual factor in SOME cases?
Feinstein sounded a lot like Dr. David Amaral from the MIND Institute at UC-Davis and Dr. Martha Herbert from Harvard.
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Robert F Kennedy Jr compares childhood vaccines to Nazi Death Camps... [View all]
Godhumor
Jun 2013
OP
Autism is a pretty desperate thing. Sadly, in my experiene, very good experience
MichiganVote
Jun 2013
#5
It is a real diagnosis of that there is not doubt. But physicians do not account for
MichiganVote
Jun 2013
#33
that is why a family physician who spots early warning signs will refer you to a
liberal_at_heart
Jun 2013
#34
of course they are not always correct. That does not mean there is some overdiagnosis crisis.
liberal_at_heart
Jun 2013
#39
Begging your pardon, I did not state that there is an overdiagnosis crisis.
MichiganVote
Jun 2013
#41
He has a good heart, he means well, but he's not the sharpest knife, and he's easily led.
MADem
Jun 2013
#53
My wife is now bedridden from polio in 1935. Bet she would have liked for a Salk/Sabin-type
indepat
Jun 2013
#90
So I followed links and found that RFK Jr. has a taped conversation between Offit....
Junkdrawer
Jun 2013
#2
Ah yes, his infamous claim that he will rat out the government if they don't clean up vaccines
Godhumor
Jun 2013
#4
well, there are deluded parents who believe vaccines caused autism in their children
Godhumor
Jun 2013
#114
I won't hear a word said against Flinstones Chewables, because they're so damn tasty.
Orrex
Jun 2013
#132
Your entire argument boils down to a Post Hoc-Ergo Propter Hoc logical fallacy
stevenleser
Jun 2013
#161
Putting that argument aside, how do you (also Godhumor, Sid) interpret these historical facts.
proverbialwisdom
Jun 2013
#162
You haven't posted any facts. Link to a mainstream modern science or medical site please. nt
stevenleser
Jun 2013
#181
Preposterous. See post #144. Go directly to the Stanford link provided and skip the analysis by AOA.
proverbialwisdom
Jun 2013
#185
"there is no credible proof that the autism/vaccine situation is not worrisome"
MattBaggins
Jun 2013
#163
You know, I was content to let this thread die, but holy shit your link is just awful
Godhumor
Jun 2013
#198
FOCUS. I linked to a post reproducing package inserts citing adverse reactions ONLY, as described.
proverbialwisdom
Jun 2013
#200
Let's take the site off the table then, although the site authors did the research.
proverbialwisdom
Jun 2013
#205
Yes and I find it sad as a mom of an autistic child to see him repeat these claims
maddezmom
Jun 2013
#16
There was no de-bunking. However, due to how Americans have been brain washed,
truedelphi
Jun 2013
#206
Lost all respect for Kennedy when he published his dumbass anti-vax article...
SidDithers
Jun 2013
#15
Maybe (obviously) he knows more than he's being given credit for on this thread.
proverbialwisdom
Jun 2013
#145
I have been very reluctant for reasons below, but you made me do it. Check it out, all 9:07 minutes.
proverbialwisdom
Jun 2013
#146
And then there are kids who can't be vaccinated for medical reasons, and babies who are too young
LeftishBrit
Jun 2013
#97
You may be interested to know that CDC decided, in 1969, to continue the Tuskeegee syphilis
HiPointDem
Jun 2013
#46
Again, you demonstrate a complete lack of understanding of science, and the medicine tied to it
EvolveOrConvolve
Jun 2013
#115
Sodium, in small amounts, will kill you, so will Lithium, yet both are consumed in quantities...
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2013
#149
And all you offer are some lousy FACTS about what he REALLY said and about thimerosal!?!?
DeSwiss
Jun 2013
#47
Advocating for locking people up for the "crime" of saving lives with science based on pseudoscience
Major Nikon
Jun 2013
#54
Fucking materialists. Everybody knows autism is caused by an imbalancing of the mind-sense.
mathematic
Jun 2013
#55
Thanks so very much for the links. Your post is why I continue to come to DU. It is possible to
KittyWampus
Jun 2013
#94
Are you sure *every* fact of science was "once Damned"? *Every* invention considered impossible?
Silent3
Jun 2013
#159
If it's the piece that he published in 2005, then it was bullshit when I read it eight years ago.
Orrex
Jun 2013
#82
Okay you didn't read it, except you did, and you asked for a citation, except you didn't.
ucrdem
Jun 2013
#86
One of DU's biggest conspiracy theorist is trying to defend his hero RFK Jr...
SidDithers
Jun 2013
#61
I guess it's somewhat better to defend RFK Jr, rather than defending Lee Harvey Oswald, eh?
zappaman
Jun 2013
#73
As opposed to what, mentioning how George Herbert Walker Bush was in Dallas on Nov. 22, 1963?
Octafish
Jun 2013
#81
Let's see, RFK Jr. a genuine Democrat and a Liberal not known for being a CT v Sid.
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#124
Well, I've never seen you be right about too many things frankly, so if you did turn out to be
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#131
Most telling you find humor in the assassinations of President Kennedy and Sen. Kennedy.
Octafish
Jun 2013
#135
science does not show mercury, even in trace amounts, to be safe for humans
MattBaggins
Jun 2013
#177
He's completely jumped the shark. No telling how many people around the world have been kept from
kestrel91316
Jun 2013
#83
Disappointed to see RFK Jr. put his name down supporting this lethal woo. n/t
backscatter712
Jun 2013
#119
This thread is filled with distortions. Read what remains online of the original pulled post.
proverbialwisdom
Jun 2013
#125
Here's a new video which provides historical evidence suggesting otherwise.
proverbialwisdom
Jun 2013
#137
You won't multitask and simply listen to the narration ONCE while doing something else?
proverbialwisdom
Jun 2013
#182
The video summarizes explosive historical findings about the first cases of autism ever documented.
proverbialwisdom
Jun 2013
#184
These are astonishing historical facts, aren't they? Find any alternate interpretations anywhere?
proverbialwisdom
Jun 2013
#213
One non sequitur deserves another. Read, then look in a mirror, please.
proverbialwisdom
Jun 2013
#212
Lack of nuance does great disservice to that argument and is out-of-date among experts except Offit.
proverbialwisdom
Jun 2013
#144
he shouldn't host Ring of Fire anymore. And does he not understand science at all?
alp227
Jun 2013
#158