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In reply to the discussion: The unspoken issue at the center of prostitution is causation [View all]opiate69
(10,129 posts)107. Facts would be nice...
Of course, the claim that:
The average age for girls entering prostitution is between 12-13.**
Is actually some "creative" accounting. (Or, inability to read statistics.. ).
http://www.politifact.com/oregon/statements/2013/mar/02/diane-mckeel/Is-average-age-entry-sex-trafficking-between-12-an/
The ruling
Weve galloped across the country and found that definitions are fuzzy, statistics are murky and nobody knows for sure. Weve learned that many organizations continue to repeat the statistic that the average age of entry into juvenile prostitution is between 12 and 14 years, despite the research being old and limited.
We found a professor who said there is some research backs up the claim, and another expert who warned that sample sizes are inadequate and research limited. One of the most widely cited sources told us that any numbers, even his, are estimates.
We conclude McKeels statement is partially accurate -- there are some studies -- but missing important detail. The studies speak only to juveniles, and the studies themselves are speculative. There is no nationally representative, comprehensive sample. We rate the statement Half True.
Weve galloped across the country and found that definitions are fuzzy, statistics are murky and nobody knows for sure. Weve learned that many organizations continue to repeat the statistic that the average age of entry into juvenile prostitution is between 12 and 14 years, despite the research being old and limited.
We found a professor who said there is some research backs up the claim, and another expert who warned that sample sizes are inadequate and research limited. One of the most widely cited sources told us that any numbers, even his, are estimates.
We conclude McKeels statement is partially accurate -- there are some studies -- but missing important detail. The studies speak only to juveniles, and the studies themselves are speculative. There is no nationally representative, comprehensive sample. We rate the statement Half True.
And yet, they're trotted out as inviolate gospel...
And, you claim that:
And studies show that 75 to 95% of all prostitutes were sexually abused as children.***
Yet, the page you linked to says:
Fifty-seven percent reported a history of childhood sexual abuse, by an average of 3 perpetrators.
So, feel free to drop back by when/if ever you have these "facts" you speak of nailed down.
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The unspoken issue at the center of prostitution is causation [View all]
Sen. Walter Sobchak
Jun 2013
OP
By the same token, the regulatory state doesn't care for the "freedom of contract'
geek tragedy
Jun 2013
#11
Sir, the person is believed by the very fact that no rape charges are pressed.
geek tragedy
Jun 2013
#166
I didn't say that. I said addiction, poverty and criminals are coercive.
Sen. Walter Sobchak
Jun 2013
#17
We never need to overlook coercion. Will making criminals out of prostitutes help?
DirkGently
Jun 2013
#121
I salute you, Sir, for stamina, skill, and other virtues I would not presume to enumerate.
enough
Jun 2013
#36
Not Just Mere Special Pleading On Your Part, Sir, But A Poor Job Even Of That
The Magistrate
Jun 2013
#163
Sir, I believe your argument was incomplete, in that in addition to lumping
geek tragedy
Jun 2013
#178
Sir, we simply disagree as to whether criticizing degradation and misogyny
geek tragedy
Jun 2013
#182
The utopian safe, clean, regulated, even unionized blah, blah, blah brothels
Sen. Walter Sobchak
Jun 2013
#14
to ignore the circumstances that deliver individuals to the sex trade is abhorrent
Sen. Walter Sobchak
Jun 2013
#19
Are you willing to err on the side of it being universally unexploitive?
Sen. Walter Sobchak
Jun 2013
#49
so, given that robbery can't be eliminated, should it them be unpunished?
Sen. Walter Sobchak
Jun 2013
#89
Can you direct me to the pig farm with a mass grave of Java developers?
Sen. Walter Sobchak
Jun 2013
#126
and you think the archetypical street walker is going to find work in a brothel?
Sen. Walter Sobchak
Jun 2013
#153
They only acknowledge what is convenient to either they personal ends or permissive ideology.
Sen. Walter Sobchak
Jun 2013
#35
Given the whole Tyrell Replicant business didn't really work out...
Sen. Walter Sobchak
Jun 2013
#44
If "victimizing by force of law" means arrested men who patronize prostitutes...
Sen. Walter Sobchak
Jun 2013
#122
Evidently you don't think it's possible for the transaction to be consensual
Major Nikon
Jun 2013
#131
If you want to try hanging that around my certified Dudebro™ neck, go for it.
Sen. Walter Sobchak
Jun 2013
#133
and I believe a sex act performed out of addiction, poverty or criminality isn't.
Sen. Walter Sobchak
Jun 2013
#152
Evidently your definition of consent takes on different meanings depending on context
Major Nikon
Jun 2013
#201
So the idea that consent is subject to context is nonsense to you?
Sen. Walter Sobchak
Jun 2013
#208
You failed to mention exactly the alleged ignorance I was alleged to have feigned
Major Nikon
Jun 2013
#212
You seem ignorant of the fact the dictionary is not the penal code of any land
Sen. Walter Sobchak
Jun 2013
#213
Sounds Like Answering One Of Those 'What Is Your Biggest Flaw?' Questions At A Job Interview, Sir
The Magistrate
Jun 2013
#58
It probably would come across better than "I talk like Rumpole of the Bailey" Sir...
Sen. Walter Sobchak
Jun 2013
#60
Your claims sound very much like those made before the UK prostitution sweep in 2002-ish.
jeff47
Jun 2013
#94
Many people's circumstances and conditions constrain their choices to an even greater degree than me
lumberjack_jeff
Jun 2013
#48
So, if one of your students or patients ends up on the street and in that position
Sen. Walter Sobchak
Jun 2013
#57
As usual, my dear LadyHawk, you say what I was trying to, exponentially better!
opiate69
Jun 2013
#172
"that some tragic series of events probably delivered a given individual to the sex trade."
Yavin4
Jun 2013
#90
Having read through this, it seems some actual facts are in order
Benton D Struckcheon
Jun 2013
#100
Yeah, it'll never be convincing that it is actually a free choice of profession
treestar
Jun 2013
#102
"the absence of all coercion" = no such thing. to live in the wild is to live under coercion, & to
HiPointDem
Jun 2013
#123
The whole point of legalization, be it of drugs, or of prostitution, is harm reduction.
backscatter712
Jun 2013
#149