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In reply to the discussion: Bill Maher on Ronald Reagan last night - must see TV [View all]JHB
(37,132 posts)68. That's wishful thinking.
If every Anderson vote had gone to Carter, Reagan still would have won.
"Minus the sabotage of the Hostage" negotiations: That would have required exposure while it was happening, which wasn't particularly likely what with Bush being a former CIA director, and a lot of intelligence people ticked off at Carter and Ramsey Clarke.
And for lack of investigation you're blaming the ACLU? What about all the mainstream party Democrats, the forerunners of the current "centrists", who made sure investigations never dug too deep, and never went to the jugular. It wasn't the ACLU who said the following in 1986:
Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan (D-N.Y.), noting that he served in the Cabinet of Republican President Richard M. Nixon, urged President Reagan on Saturday to "clean house," saying, "This nation does not need and does not want another failed presidency."
Portraying the crisis over secret arms deals with Iran and clandestine payments to Nicaraguan rebels as transcending partisan politics, Moynihan told Reagan that "your presidency, sir, is tottering." And he added, "We want you to save your presidency, our presidency."
Portraying the crisis over secret arms deals with Iran and clandestine payments to Nicaraguan rebels as transcending partisan politics, Moynihan told Reagan that "your presidency, sir, is tottering." And he added, "We want you to save your presidency, our presidency."
http://articles.latimes.com/1986-11-30/news/mn-483_1_white-house
I recall that John Kerry's investigations of Reagan were continually marginalized by the Democratic leadership.
I recall that once Bill Clinton came into office -- meaning that the targets of the investigations were no longer in a position to obstruct those investigations -- his people were specifically asked about getting to the bottom of a multitude of Reagan/Bush scandals, and the word was that "that's just not on their radar screen". "Look forward, not back" Version 1.0. You remember how the appreciative Republicans thanked him, right?
But hey, rather than hold the party leadership to account for their lack of action and even cooperation, why not grind some axes, eh?
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Yeah, I loathed him when he was Governor of CA, and I didn't live there. Bill is spot on about RR.
freshwest
Jun 2013
#99
In the Beltway Reagan's two terms was PROOF that America had turned...
Spitfire of ATJ
Jun 2013
#151
Makes me wonder though, who did Bill Maher vote for in 1980? He is NOT a democratic voter.
graham4anything
Jun 2013
#3
Couldn't care less who Maher voted for 33 years ago. He's comes down on the side of issues that
Ed Suspicious
Jun 2013
#9
MILLIONS of people with AIDS died during Ronald Reagan's first term. I don't find it funny
graham4anything
Jun 2013
#54
people who voted for Reagan/Bush/NaderEisenhower/Nixon got 100% OF what they wanted to get.
graham4anything
Jun 2013
#64
RR won a narrow victory in 1980: With 489 electoral votes? 55% of the popular vote?
Honeycombe8
Jun 2013
#24
55% of the popular vote. Almost 91% electoral votes. Huge landslide that dreams are made of
Honeycombe8
Jun 2013
#36
The gap in the figures I quoted? Those were Anderson's. RR got 91% electoral votes & 48 states
Honeycombe8
Jun 2013
#109
Add up 3rd party (repub Anderson to Carter, and take out the sabatoge of the Hostages(now proven)...
graham4anything
Jun 2013
#56
I forgave Teddy, but it should have been Carter/Kennedy (and they should have given Mondale another)
graham4anything
Jun 2013
#77
Was graham for Ronnie? I sure wasn't. Obama, I think he voted Reagan if he even bothered
Bluenorthwest
Jun 2013
#41
Actually, it's more out of actual FEAR of being seen on a show where that was said...
Spitfire of ATJ
Jun 2013
#31
A lot of people here will give you a list of staffers guilty of crimes during Reagan but,....
Spitfire of ATJ
Jun 2013
#117
True. But I do think he wasn't as extreme as current tea partiers, like Cruz. nt
Honeycombe8
Jun 2013
#38
He was complicit in the genocide of indigenous peoples in Central and South America.
Rozlee
Jun 2013
#105
Oh, I don't need quotes. I REMEMBER RR very well. But he WOULD compromise...
Honeycombe8
Jun 2013
#107
Yes. Far right. All about money and the privileged. But not wacko, & he would compromise....
Honeycombe8
Jun 2013
#108
In the early 1960s, he was one step removed from the John Birch Society....
YoungDemCA
Jun 2013
#115
Not to mention Clinton had his faults for sure, but is still more highly rated than Reagan today
MillennialDem
Jun 2013
#44
So do I. Thanks for a positive note here, the only one for the gipper.
mountain grammy
Jun 2013
#137
Of all the bad things Reagan did to us, perhaps the worst is he gave us Peggy Noonan.
Gidney N Cloyd
Jun 2013
#33
Amazing how many peasants still love their oppressors and hate the oppressed (from 2011).
HughBeaumont
Jun 2013
#39
On every major national problem you can trace its source back to the early 1980s.
1-Old-Man
Jun 2013
#62
If nothing else you have to give him credit when one/two Republicans are sitting inches away...
Dawgs
Jun 2013
#89
Like Benedict Arnold, Ronald Reagan should forever be associated with national disgrace.
Zorra
Jun 2013
#101
it's true - no point in trying to candy coat the past - Reagan was all of that and worse
Douglas Carpenter
Jun 2013
#126
Before destroying the whole country, Reagan destroyed my beautiful California.
SunSeeker
Jun 2013
#140