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233. Yes, don't you know if you complain about any of these things you are a racist?

Wed Jun 19, 2013, 11:59 PM

Jun 2013

'Cause apparently the only way to prove your non-racist bona fides around DU is to LOVE and PRAISE everything Obama does. Let's give it a try, shall we?

Dick: "Hey, Bill, did you know Obama proposed to cut your Social Security benefits by using chained CPI?"

Bill: "Why yes I did Dick. And did you know if he accomplishes it, he will be the first Democratic president in history to cut Social Security? Doesn't that make him a terrific President Dick?"

Dick: "Gee, that's swell Bill. That's really swell. I love getting my retirement security reduced, Bill. Anyone who would dare to bring that up in a negative way must surely be a racist."

Bill: "They surely must be, Dick, they surely must be."

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If it's not racism, then what is it? [View all] Drunken Irishman Jun 2013 OP

Well, that's certainly a lot of things people seem to disagree with Obama about. sibelian Jun 2013 #1

I have criticized 840high Jun 2013 #164

It takes a thicker skin than ever to be on the DU. But it's still my favorite site. NYC_SKP Jun 2013 #2

+1 JustAnotherGen Jun 2013 #80

legitimate criticism of obama and his policies is neither "hater" nor "racist". Oddly enough msongs Jun 2013 #3

Some posters ONLY post criticism. Ever. KittyWampus Jun 2013 #27

Some defend everything he does. No different. n-t Logical Jun 2013 #43

Then if one side can do it why can't the other? treestar Jun 2013 #176

The difference is that the DU people complaining vote for and... Logical Jun 2013 #192

Some posters only post love Coccydynia Jun 2013 #75

Some posters still like their spoon. Katashi_itto Jun 2013 #181

The threads get bolloxed by the same old assclowns piling on Kolesar Jun 2013 #168

Spoons. Katashi_itto Jun 2013 #183

So what? Shouldn't we focus on the problems? morningfog Jun 2013 #193

And some only post positives Ter Jun 2013 #300

The complaints go well beyond legitimate criticism jeff47 Jun 2013 #55

I've never seen anyone say those "not legitimate" things. vi5 Jun 2013 #64

Then you aren't looking at many threads jeff47 Jun 2013 #67

I've seen those. Still doesn't address the rest. vi5 Jun 2013 #74

I don't recall seeing that level of animosity, either. enlightenment Jun 2013 #232

I agree Progressive dog Jun 2013 #288

Yep. nt Mojorabbit Jun 2013 #138

Thank you for your thoughtful OP ismnotwasm Jun 2013 #4

Thank you. GeorgeGist Jun 2013 #5

Legitimate criticisms. That's what. Quantess Jun 2013 #6

It's the old "Gotta work twice as hard to get half the credit" thing going on. MADem Jun 2013 #7

Ding ding fucking ding. redqueen Jun 2013 #15

lol MADem, sometimes I SWEAR you must be black. At least a little bit on the inside Number23 Jun 2013 #25

Yeah! JustAnotherGen Jun 2013 #83

I am a little bit of everything--a "Heinz 57" as my Granny would say. MADem Jun 2013 #140

This "almost 50" white guy agrees. JoePhilly Jun 2013 #108

+1 MADem Jun 2013 #130

I wish I could upvote your comment 1000 times. Liberal Veteran Jun 2013 #157

Thanks. At times I wish more of us would call Bullshit on this stuff. JoePhilly Jun 2013 #163

I'm not real happy with the President pscot Jun 2013 #186

It might have something to do with the tone and frequency of the attacks. Liberal Veteran Jun 2013 #201

I don't disagree pscot Jun 2013 #277

This. Bobbie Jo Jun 2013 #148

Exactly. You said what I was trying to think of. nomorenomore08 Jun 2013 #149

Yes indeed. eom treestar Jun 2013 #177

+∞² Scootaloo Jun 2013 #236

No doubt it is a different standard. reusrename Jun 2013 #268

There were/are a couple of rapists here on DU, so why would we be surprised if there are racists? n/ Whisp Jun 2013 #8

Could it be about the NSA? And spying of Americans? nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #9

a single explanation won't suffice for two very different phenomena carolinayellowdog Jun 2013 #10

so, after an absence you just couldn't resist when you saw the "they must be racists!" OP quinnox Jun 2013 #11

Exactly, totally spur of the moment Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #18

I think there are a couple of problems re. Obama and his opponents here BeyondGeography Jun 2013 #12

I think we are often on opposite "sides" Vanje Jun 2013 #205

Me too BeyondGeography Jun 2013 #212

Ask Cornel West, Harry Belafonte, Tavis Smiley, etc. progressoid Jun 2013 #13

I can't speak for Belafonte PragmaticLiberal Jun 2013 #72

This message was self-deleted by its author HangOnKids Jun 2013 #114

You Can't Speak For West Or Smiley Either HangOnKids Jun 2013 #118

So NOT racism then. progressoid Jun 2013 #187

I don't believe all of the criticism is justified. PragmaticLiberal Jun 2013 #273

Etc? Etc. like Skip Gates, Oprah Winfrey, Michael Eric Dyson, Al Sharpton, Tom Joyner MADem Jun 2013 #167

Right. And Melissa Harris Perry has also criticized the President... progressoid Jun 2013 #175

Criticism is one thing; constant, nitpicking beatdowns are another. MADem Jun 2013 #203

there's no such big mystery as you pretend. HiPointDem Jun 2013 #14

If Hillary was president, it would presumably be sexism (nt) Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #16

That and maybe ageism Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #19

I was saving ageism in case Biden is our next president (nt) Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #20

I think it could well be worse in that case. treestar Jun 2013 #178

Welcome back Drunken Irishman Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #17

just look at the Trayvon Martin Case, how can anyone who is truly liberal JI7 Jun 2013 #21

Comparing Travon Martin to President Obama? zeemike Jun 2013 #37

look at the outrage when Obama said if he had a son he would look like Trayvon JI7 Jun 2013 #38

outrage on DU? where? cali Jun 2013 #40

one i remember is some shit from emilyg JI7 Jun 2013 #44

Oh .Correct me if I'm wrong Vanje Jun 2013 #209

I saw no outrage here....and I was here then. zeemike Jun 2013 #59

since your op is, at least to some degree, a response to mine, I'd like to respond cali Jun 2013 #22

A brave, intelligent and excellent post. Thanks for posting it Number23 Jun 2013 #23

The OP asks "What is the driving force behind the constant criticism of Obama" Maedhros Jun 2013 #24

+1 OrwellwasRight Jun 2013 #229

And this is why we need you here, DI. babylonsister Jun 2013 #26

The constant critics who never give Obama credit are ratfuckers, Greens, Cynics or ideologues. KittyWampus Jun 2013 #28

I think the word you're looking for is... sibelian Jun 2013 #31

Give him credit for what? leftstreet Jun 2013 #78

Not being Bush, I think. sibelian Jun 2013 #82

I agree. I'm familiar with right wing hatred of Obama treestar Jun 2013 #188

Yes everyone knows disagreement with policy = Racism ileus Jun 2013 #29

''Those who stand for nothing will fall for anything.'' DeSwiss Jun 2013 #30

The Constitution was written by racists, you know! MNBrewer Jun 2013 #34

I suppose the fact that my 3/5 of a person great-grandfather and great grandmother were slaves..... DeSwiss Jun 2013 #35

Being counted as 3/5s wasn't even the worst thing the Constitution inflicted on your ancestors MNBrewer Jun 2013 #42

First, I forgave myself. Then I forgave everyone else, long ago. DeSwiss Jun 2013 #52

Actually, it was treestar Jun 2013 #182

We're a better country than we were back then! Vanje Jun 2013 #214

Yes, don't you know if you complain about any of these things you are a racist? OrwellwasRight Jun 2013 #233

''Argumentum magnifica....'' DeSwiss Jun 2013 #243

I didn't read your whole post, but your characterization of criticism as MNBrewer Jun 2013 #32

Gee, if it's irrational to attack chained cpi, potential approval of the keystone pipeline, etc, etc stupidicus Jun 2013 #33

It's ProSense Jun 2013 #36

so Pro, are you saying that a lot of the cali Jun 2013 #39

Wait, ProSense Jun 2013 #48

absolution? huh? from the likes of YOU? cali Jun 2013 #84

You should be so lucky. nt ucrdem Jun 2013 #109

Well, Prosense, I guess I think whatever you say I think. sibelian Jun 2013 #47

Consider being courteous and not hijacking this thread with your nonsense. n/t ProSense Jun 2013 #49

lol. cali Jun 2013 #85

. ProSense Jun 2013 #102

Sweet Baby Jesus. Number23 Jun 2013 #145

ouch Bobbie Jo Jun 2013 #156

cali would you please log off for an hour? ucrdem Jun 2013 #106

no cali Jun 2013 #153

Do you know what? sibelian Jun 2013 #95

Do you know what else? ucrdem Jun 2013 #101

Nah, she's an issue bunny. sibelian Jun 2013 #117

I can't believe what I'm reading. ucrdem Jun 2013 #126

this is how bad it is, it's not enough to criticize Obama , they go after anyone who likes him JI7 Jun 2013 #135

Prosense could enter a thread and say "I agree." That's it. And have 12 Number23 Jun 2013 #144

Prosense is the same poster that links JW2020 Jun 2013 #271

She links to her own threads because they often have links to things like, you know ARTICLES Number23 Jun 2013 #291

you'd actually need to have been around a little longer cali Jun 2013 #155

sputter G_j Jun 2013 #53

Nicely articulated. nt ucrdem Jun 2013 #99

Your problem is that you do not think someone can be extremely disappointed in Obama.... Logical Jun 2013 #57

Is it because I'm black? ProSense Jun 2013 #62

I swear you have an issue where you are so attached or fascinated with Obama that any complaint... Logical Jun 2013 #68

Well, ProSense Jun 2013 #70

Well Miss paranoid....... Logical Jun 2013 #93

Just stop. This is bad form and beneath DU. ucrdem Jun 2013 #98

What are you talking about? I defended her BS. If you want to defend her then do it. Otherwise.... Logical Jun 2013 #103

What's beneath DU is letting OPs like this one -- OrwellwasRight Jun 2013 #240

"Here are the contents of the only four PMs I have ever sent you." ProSense Jun 2013 #100

Yes, Yikes when I have to tell you 10 times to quit stalking me. n-t Logical Jun 2013 #105

LOL! ProSense Jun 2013 #111

Way weird Kolesar Jun 2013 #150

those pms make you look bad JI7 Jun 2013 #154

Prosense has never attacked people for the criticism treestar Jun 2013 #195

You have got to be kidding me! Fearless Jun 2013 #91

"You have nothing to do with it AT ALL." ProSense Jun 2013 #94

I'll rephrase... Fearless Jun 2013 #104

Oh please, ProSense Jun 2013 #115

I responded to your statement that this is racism Fearless Jun 2013 #139

Will you just stop. ucrdem Jun 2013 #97

I haven't said anything insensitive. Fearless Jun 2013 #107

If that's what you think then this thread is for you ucrdem Jun 2013 #113

Saying something that isn't racism isn't racism Fearless Jun 2013 #134

And I would say it is. ucrdem Jun 2013 #142

To be sure Fearless Jun 2013 #146

No. It's not because you're black. sibelian Jun 2013 #110

Will you please just stop. nt ucrdem Jun 2013 #112

Thanks ProSense, once again you've hit the nail on the head ucrdem Jun 2013 #92

Wow, I get it now. n-t Logical Jun 2013 #120

Good. Then you know it's time to leave this thread. nt ucrdem Jun 2013 #124

Funny you never told Prosense to "quit". n-t Logical Jun 2013 #127

ProSense never lost her marbles. nt ucrdem Jun 2013 #129

LOL.....you are just looking silly now..... Logical Jun 2013 #137

Fine you made your point, now just skedaddle will ya? nt ucrdem Jun 2013 #143

To be honest, I didn't know Prosense was black until that post. SlimJimmy Jun 2013 #160

No one on the DU, I hope, cares what color any of us are. Maybe I am naive. But I have never... Logical Jun 2013 #166

Racist Democrats...really? That's it? No snips? Safetykitten Jun 2013 #242

it's called principle and it's called being consistent.. frylock Jun 2013 #41

That does not cover the wide ranging attacks on the President by your party* Kolesar Jun 2013 #158

+1 A cogent and succinct argument. Kudos. SlimJimmy Jun 2013 #161

+1000 OrwellwasRight Jun 2013 #246

Outstanding post, DI Bobbie Jo Jun 2013 #45

Thank you very much, Drunken Irishman MrScorpio Jun 2013 #46

Did it not occur to you many DUers object to being spied upon? HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #50

CONGRESS needs to change the law or the courts need to rule that Skidmore Jun 2013 #269

To be sure Congress needs to step up and be responsible for oversight. HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #280

A consistent moral compass. nt Bonobo Jun 2013 #51

Well said DI warrior1 Jun 2013 #54

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2013 #56

It's called Skidmore Jun 2013 #63

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2013 #202

Well this "racist voted for Obama twice and in the primary zeemike Jun 2013 #58

If you're only in your 20's then you don't remember Starry Messenger Jun 2013 #60

Calling criticism of government policy "racism" is simpleminded LittleBlue Jun 2013 #61

It was inferred that I was a racist for making a similar comment during the 2012 election Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #257

What a load of BS vi5 Jun 2013 #65

Fuckin do it! Iggo Jun 2013 #66

If you want to know why moderates and uninformed don't take JoeyT Jun 2013 #69

Having read through the Bobbie Jo Jun 2013 #71

Wow, that is outstanding. Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #73

Ah my dear DI annabanana Jun 2013 #76

+1 JustAnotherGen Jun 2013 #133

A lot of people here didn't start paying attention to politics until Bush... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2013 #77

There was no DU before Bush. Vanje Jun 2013 #194

Some of us were actually into politics before this place existed. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2013 #200

YAwn L0oniX Jun 2013 #79

DADT was not his success Fearless Jun 2013 #81

OP is only defending O'Bama because he's Irish. HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #86

Its racism pure and simple madokie Jun 2013 #87

How did Obama get elected? leftstreet Jun 2013 #89

Not all people are racist madokie Jun 2013 #119

Yeah, yeah, just the ones who criticize his policies n/t leftstreet Jun 2013 #125

So you think the DUers who complain about Obama are racists? n-t Logical Jun 2013 #122

Two days ago I would have disagreed. nt ucrdem Jun 2013 #128

That's some sick shit shanti Jun 2013 #131

The dorks of DU were attacking Pelosi in the same manner before President Obama took office. Kolesar Jun 2013 #165

"Free enterprise"? OrwellwasRight Jun 2013 #251

Favorite group: Creative Speculation, Kolesar Jun 2013 #267

WTF is that supposed to mean? OrwellwasRight Jun 2013 #270

Is that so? DeSwiss Jun 2013 #250

Very dashing portrait, DeSwiss! Starry Messenger Jun 2013 #263

I disagree Marrah_G Jun 2013 #88

With one sentence, you nailed the snake's skin to a wall bluestate10 Jun 2013 #90

This post is a work of art JustAnotherGen Jun 2013 #96

It is all the apologists have left, and it's popping up regularly now. Skip Intro Jun 2013 #116

An extraordinarily well thought-out post BumRushDaShow Jun 2013 #121

It's a natural reaction against gov lying and spying usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #123

Welp, I think that cleared up any doubts. ucrdem Jun 2013 #132

In a democracy it is the reponsiibility of the people to hold its public servants accountable. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #136

Passionate disagreement and/or disillusionment with policy. LanternWaste Jun 2013 #141

The last thing to bring up is Obama on gay civil rights. The Link Jun 2013 #147

I'm going to have to take issue with your comment. Liberal Veteran Jun 2013 #170

He went where the money and the votes were. He didn't lead. The Link Jun 2013 #173

Say what? He campaigned on homophobia? Liberal Veteran Jun 2013 #180

He used well known, distinguished homophobes to campaign for him. The Link Jun 2013 #185

And the other candidate I mentioned? Liberal Veteran Jun 2013 #196

But he was a homophobe...until last year. The Link Jun 2013 #198

That's what I'd call a great example of the perfect being the enemy of the good. Liberal Veteran Jun 2013 #206

DI, I was one of those young people who saw hope in Obama back in 2008. alp227 Jun 2013 #151

Welcome back, Drunken Irishman BainsBane Jun 2013 #152

Aliens? DirkGently Jun 2013 #159

K & R Scurrilous Jun 2013 #162

My point is absolutely echoed in many replies to this post... Drunken Irishman Jun 2013 #169

Agreed. It does seem that some folks pounce on any and everything to tear down Obama. Liberal Veteran Jun 2013 #174

Those who engage in irrational attacks know damned well you weren't talking about criticism alone. redqueen Jun 2013 #225

Second exception of the day nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #230

Who are you to determine which criticisms are "irrational" and which are not? OrwellwasRight Jun 2013 #254

Simple-minded B.S. truebluegreen Jun 2013 #171

Well for one thing FAKING accusations of racism are not going to do any good, NOBODY believes that - Douglas Carpenter Jun 2013 #172

You foils are like Republicans everywhere: experts on Benghazi, birth certificates, Florida recount Kolesar Jun 2013 #179

Even after DADT passed, they started saying he won't sign it! treestar Jun 2013 #184

'I could go on' NO SHIT! 3,468 words in 35 paragraphs?!?!? markiv Jun 2013 #189

for comparison, the US Constitution is 4,501 words markiv Jun 2013 #210

Using a lot of words to make a dumb argument Union Scribe Jun 2013 #190

Wrong... Drunken Irishman Jun 2013 #199

Oh please Union Scribe Jun 2013 #204

Just admit it, much of the criticism on DU is irrational... Drunken Irishman Jun 2013 #211

"corporatist" is not irrational. Union Scribe Jun 2013 #215

Yeah, it kinda is. Drunken Irishman Jun 2013 #216

"socialist" wouldn't be offensive either Union Scribe Jun 2013 #217

Instead of using throw away words, why not substance? Drunken Irishman Jun 2013 #219

To end this on a positive note I agree with you that Union Scribe Jun 2013 #220

Well said. OrwellwasRight Jun 2013 #255

You're really going to sit there and take shots at the LGBT community. Prism Jun 2013 #191

Being gay myself, I'm perplexed by the disdain shown the president... Liberal Veteran Jun 2013 #222

I can speak only for myself. Prism Jun 2013 #223

Your reply is eloquent and well-stated, but I can't share in the being sour on him. Liberal Veteran Jun 2013 #241

Well said Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #275

Freaking sickest little tirade in a long time. Safetykitten Jun 2013 #239

It is a centrist who embraced or acquiesced to too morningfog Jun 2013 #197

This OP had me practically cheering from my desk. phleshdef Jun 2013 #207

It's about issues such as a horrible surveillance policy Corruption Inc Jun 2013 #208

oh for fuck sake can't you see it's not racism it"s RIGhT WING BULLSHIT he's promulgating! boilerbabe Jun 2013 #213

Your discussion on DADT is dishonest on several levels dsc Jun 2013 #218

+1 Lord, the revision around here Prism Jun 2013 #224

Sad little show going on in this thread. Quite amazing that the gays get the first strike... Safetykitten Jun 2013 #245

Given personal poster histories Prism Jun 2013 #248

On the other hand...let's recall the 90's backlash. Liberal Veteran Jun 2013 #249

oh please dsc Jun 2013 #258

I understand your argument, but I don't agree with it. Liberal Veteran Jun 2013 #262

I don't know if you were alive or an adult when Clinton was President dsc Jun 2013 #274

Clinton DID get a free pass. He pushed for and signed DOMA, then went all over the south Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #293

the same people who are speaking out now could it be dsc Jun 2013 #295

I don't know about where you lived but I lived Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #296

that would be hatred from the right dsc Jun 2013 #298

It's Chiffon! Vinnie From Indy Jun 2013 #221

Cheap. Shameful. JackRiddler Jun 2013 #226

Some people come to message boards to VENT. hughee99 Jun 2013 #227

And as for Berlin, you have confused 2013 with 2008. JackRiddler Jun 2013 #228

You Liberals with your "facts" and "history" (nm) MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #234

+1 OrwellwasRight Jun 2013 #259

as long as my son is being cheated out of a good education I will criticize Obama and every other liberal_at_heart Jun 2013 #231

He's not been as good as I wanted him to be Prophet 451 Jun 2013 #235

Nancy Pelosi used to be called a "bitch" here Enrique Jun 2013 #237

a search reveals that what you cast as some everyday occurrence actually happened about HiPointDem Jun 2013 #261

Hi, I am going to post something causing something and I do not know the answer... Safetykitten Jun 2013 #238

Racism. Definitely. MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #244

Manny, help me! I may be a closet racist and not know it! What do I do? Safetykitten Jun 2013 #247

I don't think it's racism at all. (Not here.) Amonester Jun 2013 #252

Swing and a miss Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #253

how about this reason: "I don't belong to an organized party. I'm a Democrat." DebJ Jun 2013 #256

This is my take on things steve2470 Jun 2013 #260

Largely overblown expectations and disappointment that it was not Hillary intaglio Jun 2013 #264

^That was really good Kolesar Jun 2013 #266

the criticisms from the left are the exact opposite of those of Fox News and based on substance yurbud Jun 2013 #265

Imagine. A poster with an offensive stereotype for a user name accusing people of being racist forestpath Jun 2013 #272

NO.FUCKING.SHIT! MotherPetrie Jun 2013 #279

You didn't actually bother reading the post, did you? intaglio Jun 2013 #282

I read it. And it's a nice wordy bit of deflection in the guise of "asking" a question forestpath Jun 2013 #284

Fine, intaglio Jun 2013 #285

word Vanje Jun 2013 #286

Good post - thank you pgr Jun 2013 #276

Progressivism. Orsino Jun 2013 #278

what u can't criticise policy Rise Rebel Resist Jun 2013 #281

Actually the policies can be defended intaglio Jun 2013 #283

then why resort to this low brow shit Rise Rebel Resist Jun 2013 #289

Of course, low brow, intaglio Jun 2013 #292

Sub racism for hate and the link runs into the same dogma Rise Rebel Resist Jun 2013 #297

Sorry but word salad is not in my diet ... intaglio Jun 2013 #304

another kick warrior1 Jun 2013 #287

If it's not racism or hate (see ProSense's OP), then it must be The Black Tax Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #290

What you're describing here is called The Black Tax. Plain and simple. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #294

Kick Scurrilous Jun 2013 #299

K&R BklnDem75 Jun 2013 #301

Last line is a leading sentence. I will not be boxed in by your framing. Pholus Jun 2013 #302

Is this racist? Eddie Haskell Jun 2013 #303