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48. Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: It's true. MM was an avid participant in FreeRepublic

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Sun Jun 23, 2013, 08:20 PM

Jun 2013

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Edward Snowden is a man without honor. [View all] MineralMan Jun 2013 OP

There are a lot of DUers on the same email list. WilliamPitt Jun 2013 #1

I have no idea what you are talking about. MineralMan Jun 2013 #4

LOL WilliamPitt Jun 2013 #22

Sorry. I still don't have any idea. MineralMan Jun 2013 #25

No, of course you don't. WilliamPitt Jun 2013 #28

I have no idea either leftynyc Jun 2013 #146

Thus speaks the ex-freeper Katashi_itto Jun 2013 #94

But the Ron Paul fan is A-OK? baldguy Jun 2013 #112

I missed the ROn Paul fan. morningfog Jun 2013 #131

Discussion aside, I *love the clip! ROTFLOL nt silvershadow Jun 2013 #61

Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #54

Didn't get the email, but if Snowden has no honor, what about our GOVERNMENT - and an oath called chimpymustgo Jun 2013 #173

You are so not kidding. sibelian Jun 2013 #8

"develop an event horizon" Vinnie From Indy Jun 2013 #52

?? babylonsister Jun 2013 #42

Because it isn't his own. nm Cha Jun 2013 #70

I don't think he has one on anything. Whisp Jun 2013 #174

or on the same payroll... n/t backscatter712 Jun 2013 #118

Honor means nothing Harmony Blue Jun 2013 #2

:( Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #3

If we never had oathbreakers LittleBlue Jun 2013 #5

Hear, hear CanonRay Jun 2013 #164

Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #6

I was gonna say.. TransitJohn Jun 2013 #10

...nt MineralMan Jun 2013 #14

It appears telling an Obama supporter to BlueCaliDem Jun 2013 #44

It would seem to me the infiltrators would be those that are fine with the secret, wholesale spying. RC Jun 2013 #106

So what's that make the traitors who spy on America? Octafish Jun 2013 #7

Excellent questions. JEB Jun 2013 #66

THANK YOU !! YOHABLO Jun 2013 #103

What does that make the Pres pscot Jun 2013 #9

Good point Harmony Blue Jun 2013 #19

Yeah, and so is Daniel Ellsberg. Gregorian Jun 2013 #11

Secret plans should remain secret! Hissyspit Jun 2013 #26

Our government is without honor. Honorable people oppose it. scarletwoman Jun 2013 #12

What about our leaders oaths to protect the constitution? dkf Jun 2013 #13

+100 RC Jun 2013 #107

If his oath included a promise to uphold and protect the Constitution then he avebury Jun 2013 #15

Your father is a great man who should be rightfully revered for his service... Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #16

You "singed" many papers? sibelian Jun 2013 #17

I am posting on a Kindle Fire. MineralMan Jun 2013 #21

He ran the incinerator jmowreader Jun 2013 #24

Under your logic, ANY whistle-blower who promised secrecy and later, for the good of the many, Logical Jun 2013 #18

Anyone that tells the truth Aerows Jun 2013 #36

So true here lately. Attack the messenger. n-t Logical Jun 2013 #74

No doubt German soldiers running concentration camps took had taken oaths. snot Jun 2013 #20

Mineral Man is a Freeper without Honor. bahrbearian Jun 2013 #23

...nt MineralMan Jun 2013 #27

NT to the Freeper bahrbearian Jun 2013 #29

Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: It's true. MM was an avid participant in FreeRepublic L0oniX Jun 2013 #48

well ther you have it..... Pharaoh Jun 2013 #58

Chuckle! madinmaryland Jun 2013 #35

Hee Hee, Freepers NT bahrbearian Jun 2013 #38

how interesting... that explains quite a lot (or is that top secret) usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #64

Have a look at post #6 for more info. idwiyo Jun 2013 #120

Ah yes. The authoritarian code. The law trumps morality. nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #30

What does that make a spy agency that ignores it's country's own constitution & laws? think Jun 2013 #31

Yes, we must ALL follow orders! Pholus Jun 2013 #32

Too many boxes in his garage Aerows Jun 2013 #33

Since you worked for the NSA in the 60s how many Vietnamese did you help kill? former9thward Jun 2013 #34

Nothing I did there had anything to do MineralMan Jun 2013 #37

But did Nixon give you a Medal? bahrbearian Jun 2013 #41

No. MineralMan Jun 2013 #43

Duty ,does that mean on your Knees. bahrbearian Jun 2013 #45

Nope. It means that I was an orderly one day. MineralMan Jun 2013 #47

Real classy. randome Jun 2013 #57

I'd like to know what the fuck you mean by that remark. jaysunb Jun 2013 #63

You have got to be kidding. former9thward Jun 2013 #68

No I'm not kidding jaysunb Jun 2013 #71

Most people who fought in Vietnam were drafted. They had no choice. former9thward Jun 2013 #81

Only 1/3 of Vietnam-era veterans, and less than a quarter of Vietnam veterans, were drafted Recursion Jun 2013 #143

All the people who went to Vietnam that I knew were drafted and I knew a lot. former9thward Jun 2013 #168

I lived in San Diego with 2 Vietnam Vets in 1979 ConcernedCanuk Jun 2013 #125

my view is a bit different than yours steve2470 Jun 2013 #39

Very well said. n/t RiverLover Jun 2013 #104

thank you ! nt steve2470 Jun 2013 #105

I respect you, but I can not agree with my country when wrong. n/t RKP5637 Jun 2013 #40

There are ways to disagree. MineralMan Jun 2013 #46

The previous NSA whistleblowers didn't get anywhere by going through the legal channels. dkf Jun 2013 #122

And some of them released the information to the public. MineralMan Jun 2013 #161

What is he? Jesus? Ready to be tortured for this damned country? dkf Jun 2013 #165

Wait. So now you're saying if had stuck around it would have been OK? progressoid Jun 2013 #133

bullshit pasto76 Jun 2013 #49

Greenwald admitted to talking with Snowden before his latest gig at the NSA. randome Jun 2013 #53

That's interesting. Have any sources? GoneFishin Jun 2013 #56

Links. randome Jun 2013 #59

That does not make the prism spying debacle any better. quakerboy Jun 2013 #76

Yeah, good point. The privatization bullshit needs to stop. randome Jun 2013 #86

I wonder if Wikileaks was involved with this from the beginning. n/t pnwmom Jun 2013 #96

Nothing to indicate that but it's interesting speculation. randome Jun 2013 #157

Put my opinion down as one that differs. rug Jun 2013 #50

Your father is absolutely right. Keeping your word is paramount. But like a contract that is GoneFishin Jun 2013 #51

"I gave my word and my oath." Vinnie From Indy Jun 2013 #55

frankly, I do not care DonCoquixote Jun 2013 #60

We Will Have To Agree To Disagree - The Death Of The 4th Amendment Is Very Important To Many cantbeserious Jun 2013 #62

And Washington D.C., And Wall Street, Are Filled With HUNDREDS Of The Same, At The HIGHEST Levels... WillyT Jun 2013 #65

You, Mineral Man, lied to my face about your history of posting anti gay crap all over the Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #67

+1 idwiyo Jun 2013 #114

But, he ran off to China and helped them out and now he's Cha Jun 2013 #69

The Kardashians are withour honor as well. East Coast Pirate Jun 2013 #72

By your definition, the SS were men of honor. Daemonaquila Jun 2013 #73

+ Democracy Octafish Jun 2013 #117

Actually, it's the elected officials of the Bush and Obama administrations JDPriestly Jun 2013 #75

I forgive you for whatever horrible things you did for the NSA in the 60's. DefenseLawyer Jun 2013 #77

+1 - and a traitor to his country Politicub Jun 2013 #78

That's the best you've got? "He signed many statements..." Apophis Jun 2013 #79

Snowden was a systems administrator, not an intelligence analyst. randome Jun 2013 #83

So, if he didn't see a thing... NealK Jun 2013 #99

Are you asking why the Administration wants to stop him giving secrets away? randome Jun 2013 #155

Honor? Who gives a rat's ass about honor? morningfog Jun 2013 #80

yes he is. madrchsod Jun 2013 #82

I agree and respect one who can honor their oath Blue_Roses Jun 2013 #84

That's a talking point myth that has been debunked by prior leakers who tried those "options" and GoneFishin Jun 2013 #116

that makes no sense Blue_Roses Jun 2013 #138

I never met him so I couldn't really know much about him personally NoOneMan Jun 2013 #85

I see your point - if we have to choose between living under a surveillance state with no discussion Douglas Carpenter Jun 2013 #87

Those days of honor are behind us. Nt galileoreloaded Jun 2013 #88

you make an important distinction Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #89

He needed a "code red" Gitmo style Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #90

You want mineral man on that wall!! DefenseLawyer Jun 2013 #92

I'm sure there are quite a lot of DUers bound by these same commitments matt819 Jun 2013 #91

I was an E-4 in the USAF. MineralMan Jun 2013 #151

I do have a different opinion MNBrewer Jun 2013 #93

Thus the American Revolution was a war without honor. mhatrw Jun 2013 #95

I'll leave you with this: bobclark86 Jun 2013 #97

If the NSA were turning into the Stasi in your day would you have had the balls to stand up to them? Ford_Prefect Jun 2013 #98

So keep one's word no matter what. RoccoR5955 Jun 2013 #100

it does HiPointDem Jun 2013 #101

If there was only a way to get this to him. Union Scribe Jun 2013 #102

You are correct in all save one point. sulphurdunn Jun 2013 #108

Absolutely? In every circumstance? primavera Jun 2013 #109

Interesting reasoning. Coccydynia Jun 2013 #110

Honor is a value from the past. It has little currency in today's world. Kablooie Jun 2013 #111

Yea, trying to be honorable sulphurdunn Jun 2013 #113

Unless you are independently wealthy you will eventually go hungry without it nolabels Jun 2013 #119

Doesn't the oath include the phrase backscatter712 Jun 2013 #115

Wrong, wrong, wrong. GoneOffShore Jun 2013 #121

No honor in running to Ecuador railsback Jun 2013 #123

I would rather he'd have honored his oath and if he had information with an overwhelming need.... marble falls Jun 2013 #124

Exactly. If he felt that what he knew was so important MineralMan Jun 2013 #153

Not an unreasonable position, I don't understand why some of us here don't get it. marble falls Jun 2013 #160

Lulz. TransitJohn Jun 2013 #126

Honor= Selflessly doing the right thing no matter what it costs you. Bonobo Jun 2013 #127

If that were true railsback Jun 2013 #128

Why? Deep13 Jun 2013 #130

If he were 'selflessly' doing the right thing railsback Jun 2013 #136

Of course he has reason to run. Deep13 Jun 2013 #149

Self preservation railsback Jun 2013 #166

That's not true. Bonobo Jun 2013 #132

Self sacrifice railsback Jun 2013 #135

Leaving one's country, one's family, one's lover, one's life... Bonobo Jun 2013 #140

Wow. That's some insight into Snowden's personality. railsback Jun 2013 #144

Self sacrifice or running out? Running away is clouding the real issue: government invasion of marble falls Jun 2013 #162

So what? Deep13 Jun 2013 #129

And you are a man without shame. Maven Jun 2013 #134

! idwiyo Jun 2013 #163

Snowden is an arsehole. HipChick Jun 2013 #137

Dick Cheney. delrem Jun 2013 #139

This place is getting scary weird; the Nazi-like moral disconnects are truly frightening. Zorra Jun 2013 #141

Fair argument, as far as it goes. Savannahmann Jun 2013 #142

If Snowden had information he believed had to be shared, MineralMan Jun 2013 #156

I don't care about Snowden. It's not about him. It's about the spying! Scuba Jun 2013 #145

So if you found something Dorian Gray Jun 2013 #147

I did not discover such information. I declined a job MineralMan Jun 2013 #158

While he has leaked some leftynyc Jun 2013 #148

I'm not going to rehash that stuff. MineralMan Jun 2013 #159

And MineralMan is an HonorableMan (nt) muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #150

... The Link Jun 2013 #152

Luckily Stauffenberg disagreed about this conception of honor. Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #154

And the concept of honor was very strong in the Old South kmart2 Jun 2013 #167

Welcome to DU! silvershadow Jun 2013 #170

Wow, way to tar yourself Hydra Jun 2013 #169

When Constitution and secondary oath conflict, WHICH GETS YOUR HONOR? Festivito Jun 2013 #171

That's simple. If that conflict arose, which it did not MineralMan Jun 2013 #172

Clearly a case of "do as I say, not as I do". idwiyo Jun 2013 #176

Username + topic of this OP = Comedy Central! Thank you for the laugh. idwiyo Jun 2013 #175