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oldandhappy

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17. You pulled it together.

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 10:57 AM

Jun 2013

Thank you for this set of links. All of this has been developing for a long time. I do not know if we have the wisdom to counter all of this. It cannot come from the top. Will have to be a grassroots uprising with a strong will to sustain all that will be involved. I do not know what needs to happen or what can happen but will keep my eyes open.

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An American citizen is seeking asylum in a foreign land [View all] CanonRay Jun 2013 OP

Seeking asylum doesn't mean one is entitled to it. nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #1

I don't think my post addressed the merits of his claim CanonRay Jun 2013 #3

Well, someone can be seeking asylum when in fact they're just a criminal. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #4

Obviously, this is a political "crime" CanonRay Jun 2013 #5

Had Snowden just showed those documents to the Chinese government, would you geek tragedy Jun 2013 #7

No. morningfog Jun 2013 #9

Do you think Jonathan Pollard got a raw deal then? nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #10

I beleive Pollard was spying for a foreign government CanonRay Jun 2013 #11

You said if Snowden had just handed these intelligence files over geek tragedy Jun 2013 #12

Actually, look at my posts, I never said anything of the sort. CanonRay Jun 2013 #24

There is no advantage in knowing intelegence zeemike Jun 2013 #47

In almost all cases, anyone serving a life sentence without taking a life got a raw deal, imo. morningfog Jun 2013 #14

He's going to be released in a couple of years anyways. nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #16

It says plenty nineteen50 Jun 2013 #66

Or it could mean that he broke the law and doesn't want to go to jail. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #68

Everyone seeking asylum is thought of as criminal in their home country. CincyDem Jun 2013 #79

Roman Polanski sought asylum in France, because he raped a 13 year old geek tragedy Jun 2013 #81

I think the point of this is the changing nature of asylum. CincyDem Jun 2013 #83

There's very little appetite on anyone's part to help another country geek tragedy Jun 2013 #85

Agreed CincyDem Jun 2013 #87

I was really hoping... im1013 Jun 2013 #2

Why didn't they do this to Ellsberg? Awknid Jun 2013 #8

agree oldandhappy Jun 2013 #18

Ellsberg was arrested, indicted and tried. hack89 Jun 2013 #28

The Point Is RobinA Jun 2013 #45

What Constitutional safeguards was Manning not afforded? nt hack89 Jun 2013 #53

Speedy trial. Face his accuser. Just for starters. TheMadMonk Jun 2013 #82

His lawyers requested delays in order to prepare his defense. hack89 Jun 2013 #84

No. The President doesn't get a free pass because he didn't live up to your expectations. Coccydynia Jun 2013 #36

Ellsberg posted bail LeftInTX Jun 2013 #69

I have the same feeling. oldandhappy Jun 2013 #19

weird oldandhappy Jun 2013 #22

Me too dkf Jun 2013 #51

It has happened in the past nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #6

"A system out of control..." marions ghost Jun 2013 #13

Were the tables turned... OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #15

Your stepfather isn't the only one who finds these comparisons hilarious. randome Jun 2013 #20

False analogy. Coccydynia Jun 2013 #37

Nothing is making me angrier leftynyc Jun 2013 #30

You can compare the trajectories for sure. Coccydynia Jun 2013 #38

There is NOTHING the NSA leftynyc Jun 2013 #44

Point missed, once again. Coccydynia Jun 2013 #72

Yes, I can deny it leftynyc Jun 2013 #74

Okey, dokey. Coccydynia Jun 2013 #77

I Think the Point is RobinA Jun 2013 #49

The nazis were always the nazis leftynyc Jun 2013 #50

+1 JustAnotherGen Jun 2013 #52

If People Keep RobinA Jun 2013 #56

I haven't missed the point at all leftynyc Jun 2013 #59

The PATRIOT act was the beginning of our journey. Coccydynia Jun 2013 #76

Thank you. You've expressed it much more eloquently than I. Coccydynia Jun 2013 #73

Point one I agree with Marrah_G Jun 2013 #34

We've been headed "towards a different place just as bad or maybe worse"... OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #40

I personally think our system of checks and balances is broken beyond repair Marrah_G Jun 2013 #42

It's not. OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #46

I disagree and I think that it is. Marrah_G Jun 2013 #60

You pulled it together. oldandhappy Jun 2013 #17

Oh no, it can't happen here. Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #21

I guess you were born after Vietnam. Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #23

As I considered going to Canada myself at the time CanonRay Jun 2013 #25

Exactly VA_Jill Jun 2013 #65

What's strange or odd about it. gcomeau Jun 2013 #26

It must be wonderful to have things be so simple CanonRay Jun 2013 #27

Oh please leftynyc Jun 2013 #32

You really expect him to go to any America friendly countries? RC Jun 2013 #63

Oh brother leftynyc Jun 2013 #67

I can hold several thought in my head at the same time. But if they are related they have to mesh. RC Jun 2013 #71

I think you posted this to the wrong person leftynyc Jun 2013 #93

Actually, it is. RC Jun 2013 #94

You'll notice that I asked you to explain your position. gcomeau Jun 2013 #35

He broke a law he felt had to be broken for a more ethical cause than that which the law supported. sibelian Jun 2013 #48

Fine. gcomeau Jun 2013 #54

Yes "we owe our allegiance to the king but nineteen50 Jun 2013 #70

What's "strange or odd" CanonRay Jun 2013 #80

Oh please. gcomeau Jun 2013 #89

Thanks for making my point! CanonRay Jun 2013 #90

I didn't... gcomeau Jun 2013 #91

Meanwhile, with all this going on, leftynyc Jun 2013 #29

leftynyc JustAnotherGen Jun 2013 #55

Not enough time for me leftynyc Jun 2013 #58

Gah JustAnotherGen Jun 2013 #62

OK, to clarify CanonRay Jun 2013 #78

OK - that I agree with leftynyc Jun 2013 #92

Lots of Paul-ites and teabaggers will likely seek asylum from the country they hate. tridim Jun 2013 #31

On the other hand, JoeyT Jun 2013 #88

What with Gitmo, Manning and the current political climate Autumn Jun 2013 #33

I would imagine that most, but certainly not *all*, of the people bike man Jun 2013 #39

Yep, we have stepped through the looking glass in so many ways. n/t Cleita Jun 2013 #41

Except one big difference is he isnt doing it because the government cstanleytech Jun 2013 #43

List of United States citizens granted political asylum in Cuba ProSense Jun 2013 #57

Theives, rapists, kidnappers, airplane highjackers, murderers..... baldguy Jun 2013 #96

asylum kardonb Jun 2013 #61

Joey Del Toro sought asylum in Mexico after murdering a woman in Florida LeftInTX Jun 2013 #64

k and r nashville_brook Jun 2013 #75

Roman Polanski threads are so last-year jberryhill Jun 2013 #86

A self-confessed criminal is seeking asylum in a foreign land. baldguy Jun 2013 #95