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CanonRay

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78. OK, to clarify

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 01:51 PM

Jun 2013

I don't think we're Nazi Germany...yet, but we are taking steps in that direction. First, we are nearly Mussolini's definition of a facist state, the merger of corporate and state power. Second, where the Nazi's used citizens to spy on each other, it is no longer necessary...we have the NSA. So far they have not been arresting people for what they write or say. If you think that next step cannot happen, you are mistaken. The government is not driven by a racial ideology, I'll give you that. It is driven by corporate greed, however.

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An American citizen is seeking asylum in a foreign land [View all] CanonRay Jun 2013 OP

Seeking asylum doesn't mean one is entitled to it. nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #1

I don't think my post addressed the merits of his claim CanonRay Jun 2013 #3

Well, someone can be seeking asylum when in fact they're just a criminal. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #4

Obviously, this is a political "crime" CanonRay Jun 2013 #5

Had Snowden just showed those documents to the Chinese government, would you geek tragedy Jun 2013 #7

No. morningfog Jun 2013 #9

Do you think Jonathan Pollard got a raw deal then? nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #10

I beleive Pollard was spying for a foreign government CanonRay Jun 2013 #11

You said if Snowden had just handed these intelligence files over geek tragedy Jun 2013 #12

Actually, look at my posts, I never said anything of the sort. CanonRay Jun 2013 #24

There is no advantage in knowing intelegence zeemike Jun 2013 #47

In almost all cases, anyone serving a life sentence without taking a life got a raw deal, imo. morningfog Jun 2013 #14

He's going to be released in a couple of years anyways. nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #16

It says plenty nineteen50 Jun 2013 #66

Or it could mean that he broke the law and doesn't want to go to jail. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #68

Everyone seeking asylum is thought of as criminal in their home country. CincyDem Jun 2013 #79

Roman Polanski sought asylum in France, because he raped a 13 year old geek tragedy Jun 2013 #81

I think the point of this is the changing nature of asylum. CincyDem Jun 2013 #83

There's very little appetite on anyone's part to help another country geek tragedy Jun 2013 #85

Agreed CincyDem Jun 2013 #87

I was really hoping... im1013 Jun 2013 #2

Why didn't they do this to Ellsberg? Awknid Jun 2013 #8

agree oldandhappy Jun 2013 #18

Ellsberg was arrested, indicted and tried. hack89 Jun 2013 #28

The Point Is RobinA Jun 2013 #45

What Constitutional safeguards was Manning not afforded? nt hack89 Jun 2013 #53

Speedy trial. Face his accuser. Just for starters. TheMadMonk Jun 2013 #82

His lawyers requested delays in order to prepare his defense. hack89 Jun 2013 #84

No. The President doesn't get a free pass because he didn't live up to your expectations. Coccydynia Jun 2013 #36

Ellsberg posted bail LeftInTX Jun 2013 #69

I have the same feeling. oldandhappy Jun 2013 #19

weird oldandhappy Jun 2013 #22

Me too dkf Jun 2013 #51

It has happened in the past nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #6

"A system out of control..." marions ghost Jun 2013 #13

Were the tables turned... OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #15

Your stepfather isn't the only one who finds these comparisons hilarious. randome Jun 2013 #20

False analogy. Coccydynia Jun 2013 #37

Nothing is making me angrier leftynyc Jun 2013 #30

You can compare the trajectories for sure. Coccydynia Jun 2013 #38

There is NOTHING the NSA leftynyc Jun 2013 #44

Point missed, once again. Coccydynia Jun 2013 #72

Yes, I can deny it leftynyc Jun 2013 #74

Okey, dokey. Coccydynia Jun 2013 #77

I Think the Point is RobinA Jun 2013 #49

The nazis were always the nazis leftynyc Jun 2013 #50

+1 JustAnotherGen Jun 2013 #52

If People Keep RobinA Jun 2013 #56

I haven't missed the point at all leftynyc Jun 2013 #59

The PATRIOT act was the beginning of our journey. Coccydynia Jun 2013 #76

Thank you. You've expressed it much more eloquently than I. Coccydynia Jun 2013 #73

Point one I agree with Marrah_G Jun 2013 #34

We've been headed "towards a different place just as bad or maybe worse"... OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #40

I personally think our system of checks and balances is broken beyond repair Marrah_G Jun 2013 #42

It's not. OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #46

I disagree and I think that it is. Marrah_G Jun 2013 #60

You pulled it together. oldandhappy Jun 2013 #17

Oh no, it can't happen here. Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #21

I guess you were born after Vietnam. Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #23

As I considered going to Canada myself at the time CanonRay Jun 2013 #25

Exactly VA_Jill Jun 2013 #65

What's strange or odd about it. gcomeau Jun 2013 #26

It must be wonderful to have things be so simple CanonRay Jun 2013 #27

Oh please leftynyc Jun 2013 #32

You really expect him to go to any America friendly countries? RC Jun 2013 #63

Oh brother leftynyc Jun 2013 #67

I can hold several thought in my head at the same time. But if they are related they have to mesh. RC Jun 2013 #71

I think you posted this to the wrong person leftynyc Jun 2013 #93

Actually, it is. RC Jun 2013 #94

You'll notice that I asked you to explain your position. gcomeau Jun 2013 #35

He broke a law he felt had to be broken for a more ethical cause than that which the law supported. sibelian Jun 2013 #48

Fine. gcomeau Jun 2013 #54

Yes "we owe our allegiance to the king but nineteen50 Jun 2013 #70

What's "strange or odd" CanonRay Jun 2013 #80

Oh please. gcomeau Jun 2013 #89

Thanks for making my point! CanonRay Jun 2013 #90

I didn't... gcomeau Jun 2013 #91

Meanwhile, with all this going on, leftynyc Jun 2013 #29

leftynyc JustAnotherGen Jun 2013 #55

Not enough time for me leftynyc Jun 2013 #58

Gah JustAnotherGen Jun 2013 #62

OK, to clarify CanonRay Jun 2013 #78

OK - that I agree with leftynyc Jun 2013 #92

Lots of Paul-ites and teabaggers will likely seek asylum from the country they hate. tridim Jun 2013 #31

On the other hand, JoeyT Jun 2013 #88

What with Gitmo, Manning and the current political climate Autumn Jun 2013 #33

I would imagine that most, but certainly not *all*, of the people bike man Jun 2013 #39

Yep, we have stepped through the looking glass in so many ways. n/t Cleita Jun 2013 #41

Except one big difference is he isnt doing it because the government cstanleytech Jun 2013 #43

List of United States citizens granted political asylum in Cuba ProSense Jun 2013 #57

Theives, rapists, kidnappers, airplane highjackers, murderers..... baldguy Jun 2013 #96

asylum kardonb Jun 2013 #61

Joey Del Toro sought asylum in Mexico after murdering a woman in Florida LeftInTX Jun 2013 #64

k and r nashville_brook Jun 2013 #75

Roman Polanski threads are so last-year jberryhill Jun 2013 #86

A self-confessed criminal is seeking asylum in a foreign land. baldguy Jun 2013 #95