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neohippie

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13. how can one assume his intent

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 03:52 PM

Jun 2013

Your post assumes Snowden's intentions and those of many others are to destroy our great country, one that was born out of principals and ideals, yet, does our country still resemble those ideals?

Perhaps Snowden's intentions were to create a debate and in that process preserve our nation and those ideals, just something I was thinking about...

Think about the image that America has created for itself all over the world, the land of the free the home of the brave, a shining beacon of light in a world filled with darkness and tyranny, a land where we value debate, and transparency, due process, our not only our constitutional rights, but human rights.

Now look at our land, one with secret courts, torture, secret prisons, where we disappear our enemies and hold them endlessly without charges or hope for fair trials, is that the land that you as a patriot are worried about preserving?

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The Awakening of a Conscience - William Blum on Edward Snowden and US Surveillance [View all] Catherina Jun 2013 OP

Excellent article. Thanks for posting Catherina. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #1

. snagglepuss Jun 2013 #2

Thank you Catherina sibelian Jun 2013 #3

It does not matter what opinion one has about issues of how NSA is doing their processes is not a Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #4

IF "What he "revealed" was already revealed" marions ghost Jun 2013 #6

if what he revealed was from documents belonging to someone else it doesn't matter... KittyWampus Jun 2013 #11

No it's not simple...tho some will try to make it so marions ghost Jun 2013 #12

In the follow up information given by Snowden this is nit about whistleblowing, never was. Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #30

are you in junior high? frylock Jun 2013 #43

No I knew they were going to get access to them marions ghost Jun 2013 #49

Freepers often do the same thing, use little labels to belittle the people they hate/disagree with. Katashi_itto Jun 2013 #79

You would like it to be that simple. Too bad. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2013 #16

Comrade huh, well if you use services such as phones, internet and similar services there will be Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #34

yeah! go live in a fucking cave or deal with it!!1 frylock Jun 2013 #45

....no, I'm afraid it isn't. sibelian Jun 2013 #29

You don't need this explained do you? I have known for a few years the phone call records was Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #27

"He delivered this information to a foreign source" sibelian Jun 2013 #31

Dig, read inform yourself, might help you. Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #35

No, you can tell me. sibelian Jun 2013 #40

Ask Diarrhea Snowden, maybe he can find it in his conscience to tell you. Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #48

"I am talking out of my ass" Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #52

So, in fact, you're making it up. sibelian Jun 2013 #66

I see, if you get the information from Diarrhea Snowden it is probably nit true, never thought of Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #69

To whom has Snowden passed information? sibelian Jun 2013 #70

It wasn't me, let's see, did he tell Glenn Greenwald or did Geenwald make it verything up, oh, BTW Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #71

Could your vocabulary be expanded beyond the word diarrhea? think Jun 2013 #76

Read my post #12 above marions ghost Jun 2013 #32

If nothing else you found your grove and can't leave it nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #7

how can one assume his intent neohippie Jun 2013 #13

In large part, even his intent is irrelevant. Maedhros Jun 2013 #25

Don't complain to me, the boy has diarrhea of the mouth, he said he intended to be hired Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #56

I think you are reading into his comments what you want to believe neohippie Jun 2013 #78

So, the NSA should only hire people who lack integrity and have no sense of right and wrong? 1monster Jun 2013 #38

+1 Maybe they ought to list that as a job requirement. ChaoticTrilby Jun 2013 #50

They hired one who lacked integrity and his name is Edward Snowden. Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #58

'A code of ethics' sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #46

Have you ever been employed where they had a Code of Ethics? Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #59

Yes, and had they ever violated their own code of ethics I would have quit. I'm not sure I would sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #62

I think you don't understand what a Code of Ethics involves, it is a code for you the employee Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #63

Your definition of Code of Ethics marions ghost Jun 2013 #82

No offense, but did you read the article Catherina posted? Your post seems HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #60

He now claims he intentionally took the job to get more information, where was his conscience then. Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #65

Without rehashing every detail of L'affaire Snowden, I think we can both agree that HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #73

He is a patsy of liBertarian leaning who did not have the conscience to keep the Code of Ethics he Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #77

At least now you're responding to the article that Catherina posted, so there's HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #80

It's time to choose sides. We need you on the side of freedom and liberty. But now you sound rhett o rick Jun 2013 #75

Great article! think4yourself Jun 2013 #5

This is a World awakening Ichingcarpenter Jun 2013 #8

Yes and in totalitarian societies, we have already seen overt signs of Internet control nt siligut Jun 2013 #15

totalitarian societies is a not what the term use to mean Ichingcarpenter Jun 2013 #20

Yes, thought controlled slaves that believe they are free and happy is the goal siligut Jun 2013 #26

Well cognitive dissonance manipulated in an new way Ichingcarpenter Jun 2013 #42

A pipe full and a mouthful siligut Jun 2013 #54

Sheldon Wolin has written about this. Maedhros Jun 2013 #28

Marking for later reading Hydra Jun 2013 #9

I think a great deal of the problem is the scale of it. sibelian Jun 2013 #33

Cognative dissonance Hydra Jun 2013 #41

LOL! The article leaps from the ASSUMPTION Snowden must have been vetted properly>>> KittyWampus Jun 2013 #10

Do you know that Snowden is leaking sensitive info to Russia or China? Comrade Grumpy Jun 2013 #17

And that alone should scare anyone who trusts our rights and security with people who outsource sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #47

Blum's Books are excellent . . FairWinds Jun 2013 #14

Bill is an old friend of mine, and a true stalwart. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2013 #18

Absolutely love it. Everyone should read the whole thing. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #19

What's The Point DallasNE Jun 2013 #21

"How many other moles are operating at places like Booz Allen?" sibelian Jun 2013 #39

I think it's reasonable to assume that Booz Allen's only interest is in making a profit. sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #55

The Inbreeding Is Clearly A Major Problem DallasNE Jun 2013 #64

HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Jun 2013 #22

I suspect someone of doing what is described in this paragraph JDPriestly Jun 2013 #23

"Wooing the working class " nt Progressive dog Jun 2013 #81

I disagree with this Op gholtron Jun 2013 #24

"If he wanted to do something about stopping this..." sibelian Jun 2013 #36

And exactly how is his actons working out for him now? gholtron Jun 2013 #53

It's not a matter of "excuses". sibelian Jun 2013 #68

you don't even know the definition of treason.. frylock Jun 2013 #51

K&R'd & bookmarked – great article! snot Jun 2013 #37

William Blum is tops. Octafish Jun 2013 #44

A low level employee of the State Dept. until 1967 Progressive dog Jun 2013 #57

Huge, huge K&R. woo me with science Jun 2013 #61

William Blum is one of my heroes! scarletwoman Jun 2013 #67

But big brother has made it clear that those who oppose: indepat Jun 2013 #72

"The whole article is interesting." It is, indeed. Thank you for posting, Catherina. Th1onein Jun 2013 #74

" What is a security state to do?.... felix_numinous Jun 2013 #83