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JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
23. I suspect someone of doing what is described in this paragraph
Wed Jun 26, 2013, 04:29 PM
Jun 2013

right here on DU.

I have two particular DUers in mind, but since this Snowden thing, several others have become rather suspect in my mind. No harm is done, but it kind of a waste of money and time on the part of our government which, we are told, is so impoverished it has to cut food stamps and Social Security benefits.

Here are the paragraphs I am talking about:

Under CIA manipulation, direction and, usually, their payroll, were past and present presidents of Mexico, Colombia, Uruguay, and Costa Rica, “our minister of labor”, “our vice-president”, “my police”, journalists, labor leaders, student leaders, diplomats, and many others. If the Agency wished to disseminate anti-communist propaganda, cause dissension in leftist ranks, or have Communist embassy personnel expelled, it need only prepare some phoney documents, present them to the appropriate government ministers and journalists, and – presto! – instant scandal.

Agee’s goal in naming all these individuals, quite simply, was to make it as difficult as he could for the CIA to continue doing its dirty work.

A common Agency tactic was writing editorials and phoney news stories to be knowingly published by Latin American media with no indication of the CIA authorship or CIA payment to the media. The propaganda value of such a “news” item might be multiplied by being picked up by other CIA stations in Latin America who would disseminate it through a CIA-owned news agency or a CIA-owned radio station. Some of these stories made their way back to the United States to be read or heard by unknowing North Americans.

Wooing the working class came in for special treatment. Labor organizations by the dozen, sometimes hardly more than names on stationery, were created, altered, combined, liquidated, and new ones created again, in an almost frenzied attempt to find the right combination to compete with existing left-oriented unions and take national leadership away from them.

http://williamblum.org/aer/read/118

This article, if true, confirms my belief that this surveillance state -- or at least the hope to establish it -- started shortly after WWII.

So much for freedom. This definitely changes my mind about being willing to restrict the Second Amendment much. Why should we voluntarily give up any of our rights regardless of the cost.

The Blum article is almost too much to stomach. Especially the parts about industrial espionage. Our companies complain so much about it -- but some of them are doing it. How two-faced can you get.

Wow! I think that America's reputation just took a big blow and rightfully so. This makes me very, very sad, but it explains some strange encounters I have had in my life.

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Excellent article. Thanks for posting Catherina. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #1
. snagglepuss Jun 2013 #2
Thank you Catherina sibelian Jun 2013 #3
It does not matter what opinion one has about issues of how NSA is doing their processes is not a Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #4
IF "What he "revealed" was already revealed" marions ghost Jun 2013 #6
if what he revealed was from documents belonging to someone else it doesn't matter... KittyWampus Jun 2013 #11
No it's not simple...tho some will try to make it so marions ghost Jun 2013 #12
In the follow up information given by Snowden this is nit about whistleblowing, never was. Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #30
are you in junior high? frylock Jun 2013 #43
No I knew they were going to get access to them marions ghost Jun 2013 #49
Freepers often do the same thing, use little labels to belittle the people they hate/disagree with. Katashi_itto Jun 2013 #79
You would like it to be that simple. Too bad. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2013 #16
Comrade huh, well if you use services such as phones, internet and similar services there will be Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #34
yeah! go live in a fucking cave or deal with it!!1 frylock Jun 2013 #45
....no, I'm afraid it isn't. sibelian Jun 2013 #29
You don't need this explained do you? I have known for a few years the phone call records was Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #27
"He delivered this information to a foreign source" sibelian Jun 2013 #31
Dig, read inform yourself, might help you. Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #35
No, you can tell me. sibelian Jun 2013 #40
Ask Diarrhea Snowden, maybe he can find it in his conscience to tell you. Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #48
"I am talking out of my ass" Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #52
So, in fact, you're making it up. sibelian Jun 2013 #66
I see, if you get the information from Diarrhea Snowden it is probably nit true, never thought of Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #69
To whom has Snowden passed information? sibelian Jun 2013 #70
It wasn't me, let's see, did he tell Glenn Greenwald or did Geenwald make it verything up, oh, BTW Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #71
Could your vocabulary be expanded beyond the word diarrhea? think Jun 2013 #76
Read my post #12 above marions ghost Jun 2013 #32
If nothing else you found your grove and can't leave it nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #7
how can one assume his intent neohippie Jun 2013 #13
In large part, even his intent is irrelevant. Maedhros Jun 2013 #25
Don't complain to me, the boy has diarrhea of the mouth, he said he intended to be hired Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #56
I think you are reading into his comments what you want to believe neohippie Jun 2013 #78
So, the NSA should only hire people who lack integrity and have no sense of right and wrong? 1monster Jun 2013 #38
+1 Maybe they ought to list that as a job requirement. ChaoticTrilby Jun 2013 #50
They hired one who lacked integrity and his name is Edward Snowden. Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #58
'A code of ethics' sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #46
Have you ever been employed where they had a Code of Ethics? Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #59
Yes, and had they ever violated their own code of ethics I would have quit. I'm not sure I would sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #62
I think you don't understand what a Code of Ethics involves, it is a code for you the employee Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #63
Your definition of Code of Ethics marions ghost Jun 2013 #82
No offense, but did you read the article Catherina posted? Your post seems HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #60
He now claims he intentionally took the job to get more information, where was his conscience then. Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #65
Without rehashing every detail of L'affaire Snowden, I think we can both agree that HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #73
He is a patsy of liBertarian leaning who did not have the conscience to keep the Code of Ethics he Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #77
At least now you're responding to the article that Catherina posted, so there's HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #80
It's time to choose sides. We need you on the side of freedom and liberty. But now you sound rhett o rick Jun 2013 #75
Great article! think4yourself Jun 2013 #5
This is a World awakening Ichingcarpenter Jun 2013 #8
Yes and in totalitarian societies, we have already seen overt signs of Internet control nt siligut Jun 2013 #15
totalitarian societies is a not what the term use to mean Ichingcarpenter Jun 2013 #20
Yes, thought controlled slaves that believe they are free and happy is the goal siligut Jun 2013 #26
Well cognitive dissonance manipulated in an new way Ichingcarpenter Jun 2013 #42
A pipe full and a mouthful siligut Jun 2013 #54
Sheldon Wolin has written about this. Maedhros Jun 2013 #28
Marking for later reading Hydra Jun 2013 #9
I think a great deal of the problem is the scale of it. sibelian Jun 2013 #33
Cognative dissonance Hydra Jun 2013 #41
LOL! The article leaps from the ASSUMPTION Snowden must have been vetted properly>>> KittyWampus Jun 2013 #10
Do you know that Snowden is leaking sensitive info to Russia or China? Comrade Grumpy Jun 2013 #17
And that alone should scare anyone who trusts our rights and security with people who outsource sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #47
Blum's Books are excellent . . FairWinds Jun 2013 #14
Bill is an old friend of mine, and a true stalwart. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2013 #18
Absolutely love it. Everyone should read the whole thing. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #19
What's The Point DallasNE Jun 2013 #21
"How many other moles are operating at places like Booz Allen?" sibelian Jun 2013 #39
I think it's reasonable to assume that Booz Allen's only interest is in making a profit. sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #55
The Inbreeding Is Clearly A Major Problem DallasNE Jun 2013 #64
HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Jun 2013 #22
I suspect someone of doing what is described in this paragraph JDPriestly Jun 2013 #23
"Wooing the working class " nt Progressive dog Jun 2013 #81
I disagree with this Op gholtron Jun 2013 #24
"If he wanted to do something about stopping this..." sibelian Jun 2013 #36
And exactly how is his actons working out for him now? gholtron Jun 2013 #53
It's not a matter of "excuses". sibelian Jun 2013 #68
you don't even know the definition of treason.. frylock Jun 2013 #51
K&R'd & bookmarked – great article! snot Jun 2013 #37
William Blum is tops. Octafish Jun 2013 #44
A low level employee of the State Dept. until 1967 Progressive dog Jun 2013 #57
Huge, huge K&R. woo me with science Jun 2013 #61
William Blum is one of my heroes! scarletwoman Jun 2013 #67
But big brother has made it clear that those who oppose: indepat Jun 2013 #72
"The whole article is interesting." It is, indeed. Thank you for posting, Catherina. Th1onein Jun 2013 #74
" What is a security state to do?.... felix_numinous Jun 2013 #83
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