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18. Zimmerman stalked Martin with a gun and then shot him dead. Zimmerman is guilty. n/t

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Thu Jun 27, 2013, 04:28 PM

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Zimmerman is guilty of involuntary manslaughter, at most [View all] Uzair Jun 2013 OP

Oh boy, this ought to be good, premium Jun 2013 #1

care to share? CatWoman Jun 2013 #2

Me three LittleBlue Jun 2013 #5

I'll buy you a beer. premium Jun 2013 #6

ummmmmmmmmm CatWoman Jun 2013 #31

"The cause of and the solution to Aerows Jun 2013 #76

!!!!!! CatWoman Jun 2013 #98

Yup. REP Jun 2013 #67

MOSS!!!!!! all american girl Jun 2013 #105

Can you pass the butter, please Aerows Jun 2013 #73

No problemo, premium Jun 2013 #82

*grin* Aerows Jun 2013 #83

I know there are a lot of racist crazies out there who will excuse any killing of minorities... EOTE Jun 2013 #3

Must be nice in la la land Uzair Jun 2013 #30

If they want plausible deniability, they do. EOTE Jun 2013 #32

The Cops told him to leave him alone and he didn't. hrmjustin Jun 2013 #55

Actually it was a 911 Dispatcher Dub-V-You Jun 2013 #66

He did not need to do it and he did. He was told to not follow and he did. hrmjustin Jun 2013 #68

The timelines I've seen show that Zimmerman lost sight of Trayvon while on the phone with 911 Dub-V-You Jun 2013 #70

There was no reason to follow Trayvon. He was not doing anything. hrmjustin Jun 2013 #72

If I had a number of break ins in my neighborhood and was in the same situation Dub-V-You Jun 2013 #79

Why because he is black? hrmjustin Jun 2013 #81

I don't find black people particularly suspicious. It would be a matter of circumstances Dub-V-You Jun 2013 #87

What what did this kid who was armed with Skittles and soft drink do that he got murdered? hrmjustin Jun 2013 #91

He was walking through back yards, or behind houses in a neighborhood that Dub-V-You Jun 2013 #99

How do you know he was going through backyards? Zimmerman says so. He has no hrmjustin Jun 2013 #101

according to the testimony he took a short cut DesertFlower Jun 2013 #115

still no right to shoot and kill somebody fascisthunter Jun 2013 #126

zimmerman didn't take the shortcut. trayvon did. DesertFlower Jun 2013 #158

still no right to.... murder someone fascisthunter Jun 2013 #180

He was walking down the street when Zimmy started following him. Then he cut into the back yards uppityperson Jun 2013 #167

There is one thing I don't understand Travis_0004 Jun 2013 #97

Would you lead a strange guy to a 12 year old home alone? displacedtexan Jun 2013 #125

You don't lead a creepy pervert JimDandy Jun 2013 #138

No, he didn't run and hide Boudica the Lyoness Jul 2013 #182

After leaving the mailbox area JimDandy Jul 2013 #184

Obviously he didn't lose sight of Trayvon and followed him until he shot him. lumpy Jun 2013 #100

And I think you listen to the dispatcher. AngryOldDem Jun 2013 #171

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2013 #178

Negros? You are a George Zimmerman supporter and you use the term "negros"? Bjorn Against Jun 2013 #117

I'm a facts supporter Uzair Jun 2013 #132

The problem for you is I have read books, I have read plenty on civil rights Bjorn Against Jun 2013 #142

WOW Uzair Jun 2013 #145

Oh yes you did use that word Bjorn Against Jun 2013 #148

READ. A. BOOK. Uzair Jun 2013 #150

Yes, you were ascribing it in a racist manor Bjorn Against Jun 2013 #154

I can't talk to you Uzair Jun 2013 #175

Yes, he's a racist. Arkana Jun 2013 #176

Forget popcorn, time for a Noob-b-cue NightWatcher Jun 2013 #4

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Jun 2013 #15

I can't believe this post doesn't have more recs! NYC_SKP Jun 2013 #20

I just rec'd it premium Jun 2013 #29

I rec'd it for you again Aerows Jun 2013 #92

Well played, premium Jun 2013 #94

+1000. premium Jun 2013 #23

Whenever I carve a "U" in stone it always looks like a "V". Kurovski Jun 2013 #43

No, it's not just you. pintobean Jun 2013 #54

I think we'll be seeing wings Aerows Jun 2013 #86

This one is hardly alone Cirque du So-What Jun 2013 #109

Second degree murder is a murder that is not premeditated or planned in advance. Ptah Jun 2013 #7

I'm not sure how they clinch this one.. manslaughter would be easier to prove Voice for Peace Jun 2013 #88

There is no scenario in which Z is "completely innocent," as TM is DEAD. And "premeditation" doesn't WinkyDink Jun 2013 #8

Except in Florida - "Stand Your Ground" ksoze Jun 2013 #13

Trayvon Martin was the one standing his ground. EOTE Jun 2013 #34

Exactly. The only one entitled to claim stand your ground was Trayvon. aquart Jun 2013 #102

i agree. nt DesertFlower Jun 2013 #116

Riddle me this: AngryOldDem Jun 2013 #170

Really. Please educate me what Martin was doing wrong, and why Zimmerman should confront him in the still_one Jun 2013 #9

Involuntary manslaughter would have been if his gun accidentally went off. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #10

I'd been wondering why Control-Z Jun 2013 #69

Yes, he's 2nd degree Aerows Jun 2013 #89

I agree, 1st degree murder would have been extremely difficult to prove davidpdx Jun 2013 #162

thank you.. have wondered about this Voice for Peace Jun 2013 #90

There is still the point that the police at the 911 call question everything Jun 2013 #11

Anyone who disagrees with you is "living in a fantasy world" tkmorris Jun 2013 #12

Opinions versus facts Uzair Jun 2013 #134

Goof WovenGems Jun 2013 #157

Zimmerman was/is a hero in his own mind snooper2 Jun 2013 #14

Since you have a time machine that has allowed you to hear all the evidence and testimony onenote Jun 2013 #16

This is a hate crime. Any white kid walking around Zimmerman's complex would still be alive. NYC_SKP Jun 2013 #17

Nah some black guy would have shot that poor white kid walking the neighborhood... npk Jun 2013 #53

I agree and disagree with aspects of your post. NM_Birder Jun 2013 #63

If color was irrelevant to Zimmerman, stranger81 Jun 2013 #133

Don't know... NM_Birder Jun 2013 #139

Yeah. Sure. Never the gun's fault. Uzair Jun 2013 #135

Just yesterday a gun cut me off in traffic ! NM_Birder Jun 2013 #141

Zimmerman stalked Martin with a gun and then shot him dead. Zimmerman is guilty. n/t Tx4obama Jun 2013 #18

Au contraire mon ami tularetom Jun 2013 #19

He pointed the gun at the kid and shot him. HappyMe Jun 2013 #21

Yup bigwillq Jun 2013 #24

I think some other things happened before that... Pelican Jun 2013 #165

"all the hullaballoo" is what television does. high viewership means more money. stlsaxman Jun 2013 #177

Yeah I don't think so. bravenak Jun 2013 #22

American gun culture didn't shoot that kid, Zimmerman did. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2013 #25

really? burnodo Jun 2013 #38

Yeah, I don't think this was a premeditated killing. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2013 #46

once he decided to pursue Martin with a gun, it became premeditated burnodo Jun 2013 #52

Murder 2 is not premeditated. ieoeja Jun 2013 #58

I think it was premeditated notadmblnd Jun 2013 #60

How long is long enough for premeditation? geckosfeet Jun 2013 #119

That's a good question and I don't have an answer notadmblnd Jun 2013 #120

he is at least guilty of negligent homicide but more likely 2nd degree murder arely staircase Jun 2013 #26

"everyone who thinks otherwise is living in a fantasy world" jberryhill Jun 2013 #27

He's guilty of whatever the prosecution is able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2013 #28

^^^This^^^. nt. premium Jun 2013 #37

Yes. (nt) Kurovski Jun 2013 #39

Nice sane response. I'll 840high Jun 2013 #136

at the very least he is completely innocent? burnodo Jun 2013 #33

You should probably look at the laws on taking a life before making that assertion. last1standing Jun 2013 #35

wow, I guess a bunch of people told you that librechik Jun 2013 #36

I see this OP went over really well. hrmjustin Jun 2013 #40

It's fun kicking back, premium Jun 2013 #47

I was looking at the General Discussion page and I saw how quickly the number of reply's came. hrmjustin Jun 2013 #51

Why Zimmerman might go free? cheyanne Jun 2013 #41

What a crock of crap. When you deliberately go looking for trouble as he did hobbit709 Jun 2013 #42

So the OP drops this turd HappyMe Jun 2013 #45

I think this proves the OP is a racist burnodo Jun 2013 #48

Florida Law Sgent Jun 2013 #44

He brought a loaded gun. Stalked him. Confronted him. Attacked him. Killed him. aquart Jun 2013 #96

Only if the shooting was an accident, or he didn't intend to kill him when he shot. ieoeja Jun 2013 #49

Thank you. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #56

2nd degree murder. kentuck Jun 2013 #50

Trayvon was guilty of walking while black. Zimmerman has to live with the fact that he killed a 17 Pisces Jun 2013 #57

Are you.posting nonsense like this just to get a rise out of the people?? darkangel218 Jun 2013 #59

It could well have been second-degree murder, but I don't think the evidence is there Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #61

Yeah... you keep believing that BklnDem75 Jun 2013 #62

Both sides have a story or version of the events... Whiskeytide Jun 2013 #64

That's pretty much how I broke it down as well. tavernier Jun 2013 #156

It's flat out not possible to beat the shit out of someone and bloody his nose without getting eridani Jun 2013 #172

Take your troll ass back under the bridge. MjolnirTime Jun 2013 #65

"He wasn't out looking to kill someone"... ljm2002 Jun 2013 #71

prejudice is not just noise. nt La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2013 #74

If you're correct, reflection Jun 2013 #75

I dont believe in trial in the media, or the internet markiv Jun 2013 #77

Zimmerman voluntarily pointed his gun at an unarmed teen and shot him in the chest. magical thyme Jun 2013 #78

Hmmmmmmmmmm malaise Jun 2013 #80

Racist pig stalks and kills young black kid with skittles and ice tea, not guilty? we can do it Jun 2013 #84

I don't consider him innocent. I do consider him reckless and really stupid. Voice for Peace Jun 2013 #85

Yes HockeyMom Jun 2013 #93

thanks. "depraved mind" is a difficult thing to prove I would imagine Voice for Peace Jun 2013 #95

LOL, Ok! n-t Logical Jun 2013 #103

There was nothing involuntary about the fact that he chased and shot the teen. PDJane Jun 2013 #104

If I start a "Rick Perry was right" thread, I wonder if I will get MidwestTransplant Jun 2013 #106

Depends on what you think he was right about Aerows Jun 2013 #108

No sir. Can't agree with anything you said. With the possible exception geckosfeet Jun 2013 #107

"American gun laws and culture are not on trial." But they should be! rdharma Jun 2013 #110

Possibly. But that is not what this case is about. geckosfeet Jun 2013 #118

On a secondary level, yes. But the actual perpetrator of this crime is still first and foremost nomorenomore08 Jun 2013 #143

another low post count pro-zimmerman troll...yawn noiretextatique Jun 2013 #111

2nd degree minimum, for accosting a child with hostile intent (n/t) usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #112

Punishing him by sending him to prison for his reckless disregard for human life notadmblnd Jun 2013 #113

hmmm...one post, many replies, but the poster hasn't responded to any of them noiretextatique Jun 2013 #114

Yes. I think you are correct. rdharma Jun 2013 #122

Hit-and-run posts should be severely punished, damn it! nomorenomore08 Jun 2013 #144

it just confirms noiretextatique Jun 2013 #179

he followe Trayvon. he profiled him. cali Jun 2013 #121

Oh for Christ's sake Uzair Jun 2013 #137

yes, I think he did. what is it with the likes of YOU? cali Jun 2013 #140

No Uzair Jun 2013 #146

Did he have to follow him? No, of course not cali Jun 2013 #147

His actions are of an idiot with a gun and a Hero complex Uzair Jun 2013 #151

I don't think it matters that he wasn't playing 'surviving the game'. bravenak Jun 2013 #160

"you people" pintobean Jun 2013 #159

This Zimmerman thing bringing them all out Kingofalldems Jun 2013 #123

. demmiblue Jun 2013 #124

Nope. TransitJohn Jun 2013 #127

Oh really? What if Trayvon was the one yelling "help me, help me" while Zimmerman applegrove Jun 2013 #128

I heard something similar over the radio. Beacool Jun 2013 #129

Since your in charge of the universe, you do somthing about the.... orpupilofnature57 Jun 2013 #130

You say Apophis Jun 2013 #131

He followed the boy with a locked and loaded gun in his pocket, apples and oranges Jun 2013 #149

I'm unapologetically saying Zimmerman is a murderer. Whether he is convicted is another matter. Lint Head Jun 2013 #152

YOUR opinion. Lex Jun 2013 #153

zimmerman is in my opinion guilty of murder samsingh Jun 2013 #155

"guilty of involuntary manslaughter, at most"? Why not disturbing the peace? AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #161

It's been a long time since I've been called a Negro. Who knew? Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #163

legalize Lonnie Anderson's hair. H2O Man Jun 2013 #164

what an unmitigated crock of shit spanone Jun 2013 #166

I'm on the fence on this one OwnedByCats Jun 2013 #168

This was a situation that Zimmerman created. AngryOldDem Jun 2013 #169

I think you're probably right. Captain Stern Jun 2013 #173

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C'mon, Uzair '...a paranoid gun freak like most Americans'? That won't wash. Most people don't stalk freshwest Jul 2013 #181

Uzair has been PPRed pintobean Jul 2013 #183