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Octafish

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43. If so, it's thanks in large part to Josh Marshall and the rest of the cowardly press...

Mon Jul 1, 2013, 08:38 PM

Jul 2013

...who are so afraid of the government that they scared to point out the big story: illegal NSA spying on America and the bigger story: the destruction of the First Amendment.

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Josh Marshall: "Snowden’s pretty screwed." [View all] ProSense Jul 2013 OP

just deserts MjolnirTime Jul 2013 #1

Snowden Should Be Thanked For Exposing The Desecration of The 4th Amendment To The US Constitution cantbeserious Jul 2013 #3

I'll thank him by paying in taxes to keep him imprisoned in the near future. MjolnirTime Jul 2013 #6

The Position - That The 4th Amendment Is To Be Ignored - Is Abundantly Clear cantbeserious Jul 2013 #10

I elected a President and members of Congress to do that. randome Jul 2013 #20

So - You Admit That You Elected Congress To Gut The 4th Amendment Via The Patriot Act cantbeserious Jul 2013 #21

'Gut the 4th Amendment'. How very Libertarian of you. randome Jul 2013 #25

It Was Your Admission Not Mine - We Now Know Where You Stand cantbeserious Jul 2013 #29

You decide the meaning of the term 'gut' and you decide the meaning... randome Jul 2013 #33

You Are The One That Admitted You Supported The Desecration of The 4th Amendment Via The Patriot Act cantbeserious Jul 2013 #35

I admitted nothing of the sort! randome Jul 2013 #40

Thank You For Being Openly Inconsistent - Please Review Your Posts cantbeserious Jul 2013 #53

He also thinks the constitution is just a piece of paper & "no one should be swearing allegiance to" usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #123

You are like a medieval questioner treestar Jul 2013 #67

Only Have Their Words - Their Thoughts Are Their Own cantbeserious Jul 2013 #70

So you support treason, I see! DontTreadOnMe Jul 2013 #77

I Support The US Constitution - It's All In My Words cantbeserious Jul 2013 #78

Before you get to the 4th, how about reading the 3rd! DontTreadOnMe Jul 2013 #81

You do realize there is an entire infrastructure of court and legislative systems... randome Jul 2013 #82

So, Only Wise Old Men Are Capable Of Reading cantbeserious Jul 2013 #126

We have a much more diverse pool of judges in our system. randome Jul 2013 #131

So Citizens Have No Say In Democracy cantbeserious Jul 2013 #132

Where are you coming from? randome Jul 2013 #138

Oh, One Must Mean The Politicians Bought And Paid For By The Oligarchs cantbeserious Jul 2013 #142

just one cliche after another arely staircase Jul 2013 #174

He Cannot Stop Putting Words Into Other People's Mouths emulatorloo Jul 2013 #186

Almost all of them start with "so" arely staircase Jul 2013 #195

That's because the user name fits! nt MADem Jul 2013 #203

One Might Suggest That Some Review Irony In The English Language cantbeserious Jul 2013 #207

One might suggest that, indeed...particularly the phrase "unintentional irony!" nt MADem Jul 2013 #221

Seems One Might Review The Words Of Others Before Casting Such Stones cantbeserious Jul 2013 #208

Cliche Would Not Exist Without A Basis Of Truth cantbeserious Jul 2013 #211

who told you that? arely staircase Jul 2013 #214

Who Told Me What cantbeserious Jul 2013 #216

Not so much truth as simply good adhesive... LanternWaste Jul 2013 #228

I got a pretty good idea where he's coming from! nt MADem Jul 2013 #223

Any time you hear the "So you admit" argument, you know it's just hyperbole. MADem Jul 2013 #202

Seems One Missed The English Class On Irony cantbeserious Jul 2013 #206

Yes--as I said, "unintentional irony," too. I'm assuming that user name wasn't intended to be MADem Jul 2013 #222

Truly It Was Purposeful - Ergo The Education In Irony For Those Not Students Of English cantbeserious Jul 2013 #224

I'll just leave that comment to speak for itself! MADem Jul 2013 #225

Which It Does - Thanks For THe Enthusiasm cantbeserious Jul 2013 #233

! Bobbie Jo Jul 2013 #235

Sixth Amendment seems to be the one Snowden really seems to be trying to arely staircase Jul 2013 #171

What we do not know nineteen50 Jul 2013 #96

We all know that the NSA will have more transparency and less secrecy after this. randome Jul 2013 #99

Then Snowden did help and did achieve nineteen50 Jul 2013 #107

It remains to be seen but yeah, if that's what he wanted, he will have succeeded. randome Jul 2013 #113

I will save my judgement for latter to much nineteen50 Jul 2013 #115

Is that the only law you believe in?? Just the one that suits your purpose? MjolnirTime Jul 2013 #22

I Support The Constitution Which Includes The 4th Amendment cantbeserious Jul 2013 #32

where in the 4th amendment does it say you can give US intelligence secrets to the Chinese? arely staircase Jul 2013 #41

Where In The 4th Amendment Does It Say The Government Can Spy On Citizens cantbeserious Jul 2013 #52

It doesn't. We agree on the NSA data collection. Now back to him giving intell to the Chinese, arely staircase Jul 2013 #62

That The NSA Domestic Surveillance Has Been Exposed Is Not In Doubt - That Snowden Gave Info To cantbeserious Jul 2013 #66

uh, it was in an interview he gave to the Chinese newspaper arely staircase Jul 2013 #75

Was That Before Or After The Guardian Disclosure cantbeserious Jul 2013 #76

it was after the original guardian story which didn't include the info he gave the chinese arely staircase Jul 2013 #86

The HUGE difference is that he blew the whistle to the PRESS, not in secret for personal gain and usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #128

Name the US newspaper he released his secrets to... brooklynite Jul 2013 #135

The Washington Post, you might not count the press abroad, though most others do, even DU via LBN usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #137

giving US intel to the Chinese makes him a traitor arely staircase Jul 2013 #180

He gave it to the PRESS, and that's what WHISTLEBLOWERS do (google it) usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #181

giving specific methods and targets of US clandestine surveilance of China - the the Chinese arely staircase Jul 2013 #187

the targets are EVERYONE, and he told the PRESS (EVERYONE), and that's called WHISTLEBLOWING. usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #189

I believe that you believe that nt arely staircase Jul 2013 #196

He's given intel to the Guardian, Chinese People's Daily, The Washington Post, and Der Spiegel. wtmusic Jul 2013 #158

yeah, he should try that defense before the jury that's in his not-too-distant future arely staircase Jul 2013 #182

Where does it say you can give US intelligence secrets to the Chinese? treestar Jul 2013 #68

It's in the 4th Amendment's fine print. randome Jul 2013 #69

No Where - Do You Suggest Otherwise cantbeserious Jul 2013 #72

So you support traitors giving intelligence information to the Chinese? OilemFirchen Jul 2013 #90

Define Traitor cantbeserious Jul 2013 #119

That's a yes then? OilemFirchen Jul 2013 #150

Seems One Is Grasping At Straws cantbeserious Jul 2013 #210

Seems you are getting a taste of your own medicine emulatorloo Jul 2013 #226

Help me out what specific secrets nineteen50 Jul 2013 #98

really? arely staircase Jul 2013 #102

Are you saying China is to stupid to know the US is spying ? nineteen50 Jul 2013 #104

no arely staircase Jul 2013 #110

Then What Are You Saying cantbeserious Jul 2013 #120

that he gave us intel to the chinese arely staircase Jul 2013 #166

No Proof - Only Insinuation cantbeserious Jul 2013 #209

no him doing it right out in the open in an interview with a Chinese newspaper arely staircase Jul 2013 #213

And What Was Said That Was Not Already Known cantbeserious Jul 2013 #215

i have already posted that upthread arely staircase Jul 2013 #230

+10000!! FirstLight Jul 2013 #42

John F. Kennedy On Secrcey cantbeserious Jul 2013 #54

So Kennedy disbanded the CIA and NSA Progressive dog Jul 2013 #71

So We Are To Understand That Secret Societies Are Not Repugnant To Some cantbeserious Jul 2013 #73

Whatever you choose to think it means Progressive dog Jul 2013 #74

Democracy can not exist nineteen50 Jul 2013 #101

Which one? The Kalahari? Atacama? Antarctica? Apophis Jul 2013 #55

Thank you gleannfia Jul 2013 #103

What damage? it's not like the terrorists didn't know we were listening on them. W T F Jul 2013 #124

I really do think he is "surprised by this". He was just a kid who liked Pepsi & computers. Enter.. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #2

I'm beginning to think he's not tethered to reality too tightly. KittyWampus Jul 2013 #4

I thought that when this first started HipChick Jul 2013 #7

That's possible too. But, now that we know that Wiki is so heavily involved, I think he's just a... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #8

Yes. And people are taking advantage of that and him. Whisp Jul 2013 #11

I know what you mean, Whisp. sheshe2 Jul 2013 #125

I agree Blue_Roses Jul 2013 #149

Wikileaks found a patsy. MjolnirTime Jul 2013 #19

and GG was the connector. n/t Whisp Jul 2013 #129

I watched the "Bourne Identity" this weekend and... tridim Jul 2013 #227

It's not just the Bourne Identity wannabe, although you're right, that's likely part of it. randome Jul 2013 #229

It's sounds stupid. Of course, he's NOT convicted.. he ran away like Cha Jul 2013 #15

It's little things like this that cause me concern. I thought WTF? There can't be a conviction.... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #18

Thanks for pointing that out.. it may seem little but I think Cha Jul 2013 #39

Well you would be wrong. DesMoinesDem Jul 2013 #31

but he thought they wouldn't revoke his passport? arely staircase Jul 2013 #45

Sure he knew zeemike Jul 2013 #121

I think it's more of a reaction to the rush to lionize Snowden. randome Jul 2013 #127

And the rush to condemn him as a traitor? zeemike Jul 2013 #139

Any rush to judgment is of course ill-advised. randome Jul 2013 #144

Why do you post that shit again? zeemike Jul 2013 #151

Look up what happens to passports when the US requests extradition. REVOCATION. DevonRex Jul 2013 #232

He's the Beavis and Butthead of spying flamingdem Jul 2013 #84

Do they have pole dancers in Russia? How 'bout gulags, or is that a different country? Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #87

No, but they have Olga and she'll make you dance on a pole flamingdem Jul 2013 #88

"Mee-maw!" randome Jul 2013 #92

Olga makes a mean gumbo and I mean mean flamingdem Jul 2013 #94

"Mee-maw!" ? Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #111

She'll make Comrade Eddie "dance on a pole". I ain't gettin' nowhere near her. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #105

Libertarians are children alcibiades_mystery Jul 2013 #108

I'm sorry, but children are smarter than Libertarians. As evidenced below: Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #114

I was thinking: If I stole one of the govts cars, could I ask for political asylum? baldguy Jul 2013 #5

since he is so concerned about human rights, any statement on the Anti Gay bill Putin signed ? JI7 Jul 2013 #9

Hey Snowden - this is neither a game nor a movie CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #12

Snowden knew what he was doing was going to have unpleasant personal consequences. But, that leveymg Jul 2013 #13

Snowden is the ultimate whiny little victim. Cha Jul 2013 #14

His immaturity is showing. Big mistake by BAH hiring an adolescent in a 30-yo body. JackN415 Jul 2013 #16

It's really amazing to me that so many self-described liberals would attack a man Marr Jul 2013 #17

Well, ProSense Jul 2013 #23

Pretty obvious that this isn't a liberal forum davidn3600 Jul 2013 #24

I think ProSense Jul 2013 #28

Snowden shouldn't even be the issue anymore davidn3600 Jul 2013 #34

Tell that to Snowden. ProSense Jul 2013 #36

Sorry, no. Because it's a leak, Snowden remains relevant jeff47 Jul 2013 #63

Shrewd. randome Jul 2013 #64

Ah...what else to the story could there possibly be? davidn3600 Jul 2013 #65

How do you have a right to data that is not yours? jeff47 Jul 2013 #234

Thread Winner! This message should be spread far & wide when they screech "IT'S NOT.... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #122

what the government tells me to - repeat Ad infinitum usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #130

By opposing this hack Snowden...does not imply that domestic spying is supported.. VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #38

Have you even looked at the posters that criticize Snowden? davidn3600 Jul 2013 #48

he hasn't "revealed" anything... VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #51

you must have missed all the press about the TOP SECRET documents, which has caused a storm around usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #133

Too busy trying to dig up dirt on Snowden Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #152

Oh really? TOP Secret you say????? VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #165

yep, TOP SECRET... you need to get out more often, you'd be surprised what you are missing usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #169

Oh I would guess I am here reading at least as much as you if not more....I work from home to clue VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #172

then act/post like it usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #177

Speak for yourself VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #183

I am, and YOU did when you started posting on a PUBLIC discussion board usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #185

No actually I didn't.... VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #191

You saw them? Or did you hear they were Top Secret... Historic NY Jul 2013 #192

LINK usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #194

I have. Where did he blow the lid off anything? CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #134

Tell that to the rest of the world (not to mention DU) usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #140

Opposing Snowden does not equal "SPYING on EVERYONE" VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #167

Then why does the Administration declare that al Queda has "changed their tactics" yodermon Jul 2013 #145

I mean in terms of Americans being spied on. CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #164

"panties in a bunch" sexist much? usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #170

why are you saying men never wear panties? Who's the sexist now? VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #173

nope, just pointing out the sexist expression is all. usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #175

Okay...don't get your whitey's tighty.....there feel better? VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #176

im a boxer man myself, but that doesn't change the point usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #178

Boxers can still crawl up your butt, hate when my boxers get bunched up like that emulatorloo Jul 2013 #197

I don't know about your BVD's but when my panties are bunching...it sucks! VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #179

does one have to support him giving US intell to the Chinese to be a liberal too? nt arely staircase Jul 2013 #50

slight correction... though an important one... he gave it to the WORLD via the PRESS usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #136

That, and shills be shillin'. Apophis Jul 2013 #58

Really?? Seriously?? You think we're all authoritarians now because we disagree with you??? Major Hogwash Jul 2013 #153

Snowden is a sideshow...Im talking about the real issue davidn3600 Jul 2013 #200

since when did leaking gov't secrets become a liberal value? quaker bill Jul 2013 #212

I'll venture that many "self-described liberals" don't care for their whistleblowers dispatching.... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #27

Well I suppose dispatching from the UK would last something under one minute, wouldn't it? wtmusic Jul 2013 #112

I'm "thinking", I could care less what you "think" about a-n-y-t-h-i-n-g. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #116

Obviously not. wtmusic Jul 2013 #156

This message was self-deleted by its author Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #161

As long as I'm not "manipulated" by you, GG, & Rand Paul, I'm pretty cool. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #162

Remember how they all closed ranks around the chimp usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #30

I assume you are referring to Greenwald there, who supported Bush and the Iraq war for way too long stevenleser Jul 2013 #37

I'm referring to the M$M and other so called liberals usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #44

Frequently told lies about Glenn Greenwald (LINK) usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #118

He is trying to revise his own history. I would too if I was in his shoes. It's documented in his stevenleser Jul 2013 #163

That's complete and utter NONSENSE, just a smear and distortion to distract, plain and simple. usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #168

The lengths you go through to try to assert he didnt write what he wrote are hilarious! stevenleser Jul 2013 #184

zzzZZZzzz usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #188

ROFLMAO! Yes, that's what I thought. stevenleser Jul 2013 #190

I think far more damning is that prominent Dems like Hillary and Kerry were busy HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #198

Exactly, Marr. Octafish Jul 2013 #46

It's okay if people leak programs under a Republican president, like Bush... Apophis Jul 2013 #57

It's amazing to me how many liberals don't recognize ratfucking. jeff47 Jul 2013 #60

Thanks Captin' Obvious - When the worlds only superpower is after you usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #26

If so, it's thanks in large part to Josh Marshall and the rest of the cowardly press... Octafish Jul 2013 #43

Right. Anyone who disagrees with you or Snowden is a coward. randome Jul 2013 #49

No. Those lackeys who only defend the totalitarians at the expense of BIG story -> SPYING usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #56

No matter one's position on Snowden, Josh Marshall's take is on the mark: randome Jul 2013 #59

Thank you Captin' usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #61

No. Just the people in the press who side with the fascists who spy on America. Octafish Jul 2013 #89

Those would primarily be Republicans, you know. randome Jul 2013 #91

This message was self-deleted by its author Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #83

Eh... Agschmid Jul 2013 #47

Ron Paul on steroids. Turbineguy Jul 2013 #79

Do you think it is possible that Josh Marshall is reading the DU forum? Major Hogwash Jul 2013 #80

Or...YOU are Josh Marshall! Come clean,Major! randome Jul 2013 #85

Have you noticed how they are being ever so careful not to say the obvious about Greenwald. Major Hogwash Jul 2013 #95

That's the only reason I care about getting Snowden back here. randome Jul 2013 #100

Greenwald used him like a marionette. Major Hogwash Jul 2013 #106

I thought that was interesting flamingdem Jul 2013 #109

I care nothing allinthegame Jul 2013 #141

Capt'n Obvious usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #143

Speaking of obvious... Bobbie Jo Jul 2013 #157

Looks good on you usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #159

ROFLMAO!!! Major Hogwash Jul 2013 #204

Well usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #231

Wow, that analysis is breathtaking. senseandsensibility Jul 2013 #93

Other than a few lame PowerPoint slides, what did Snowden reveal? randome Jul 2013 #97

He Revealed TOP SECRET documented evidence, that backs up other FIRST-HAND accounts of WRONGDOING usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #146

He 'revealed' PowerPoint slides that contain only blurbs and one-sentence summaries. randome Jul 2013 #147

TOP SECRET documents that have provided more daylight than anything we've been allowed to see so far usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #148

randome doesn't think top secret documents are evidence of anything DesMoinesDem Jul 2013 #154

The undercurrents of sadistic glee at Snowden's predicament and comeuppance are HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #199

Did you think this was some kind of game?? Major Hogwash Jul 2013 #205

Utterly naive. On the scale of Valentine Michael Smith. randome Jul 2013 #217

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #117

Two things you never want to happen BlueStreak Jul 2013 #155

Well put. wtmusic Jul 2013 #160

I wouldn't feel very secure if is were Syrian BlueStreak Jul 2013 #193

If I'm Putin, I hold out for absolutely no deployment of ABM systems HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #201

"Trust me" LOL wtmusic Jul 2013 #219

I was thinking exactly the same thing. wtmusic Jul 2013 #218

I think Putin could negotiate to get Assad on "Dancing with the Stars" BlueStreak Jul 2013 #220