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In reply to the discussion: Zimmerman is guilty of involuntary manslaughter, at most [View all]freshwest
(53,661 posts)181. C'mon, Uzair '...a paranoid gun freak like most Americans'? That won't wash. Most people don't stalk
and most people are not paranoid, media fantasies to the contrary.
Watching paranoid RWNJs on TV or listening to them on radio or other venues, with Glen Beck and Alex Jones being the top of the list, is still not 'most people' although those who can get talked into being afraid of every thing that moves. You can say those names to most people and they will just go 'Doh?'
Other than some who are into political discussion, Ron Paulies, Libertarians and RWNJ GOPs... Wait, same animal.
Most people have not got a level of media induced paranoia to anywhere near what we might say that Z had, if he did.
There are so many things that prove he was not in paranoid, or at least not a very wise paranoid, that night. The man's record is that of a bully. His targets in the past were women, gnerally and not grown men. He was accustomed to having his way and had been getting away with it no matter what.
Paranoid people don't start confrontations. They don't get out of the safety of their vehicles. They don't follow people they are afraid of. Nope, they really don't.
It's not logical, which is a whole 'nother game than being rational.
Z went after TM since he thought he was entitled to do so. Feeling entitled is not paranoid, it's a sign of feeling powerful over another human being, or animal, or whatever. They simply do not match.
As much as I agree with some of your posts, this reeks of giving a pass to someone who doesn't deserve one. Although I don't care what they end up convicting him of.
Murder, manslaughter, negligent homocide, stalking, menacing or even terminal stupidity. I want him removed from society so that if it does happen again, it won't be from this character.
Watching paranoid RWNJs on TV or listening to them on radio or other venues, with Glen Beck and Alex Jones being the top of the list, is still not 'most people' although those who can get talked into being afraid of every thing that moves. You can say those names to most people and they will just go 'Doh?'
Other than some who are into political discussion, Ron Paulies, Libertarians and RWNJ GOPs... Wait, same animal.
Most people have not got a level of media induced paranoia to anywhere near what we might say that Z had, if he did.
There are so many things that prove he was not in paranoid, or at least not a very wise paranoid, that night. The man's record is that of a bully. His targets in the past were women, gnerally and not grown men. He was accustomed to having his way and had been getting away with it no matter what.
Paranoid people don't start confrontations. They don't get out of the safety of their vehicles. They don't follow people they are afraid of. Nope, they really don't.
It's not logical, which is a whole 'nother game than being rational.
Z went after TM since he thought he was entitled to do so. Feeling entitled is not paranoid, it's a sign of feeling powerful over another human being, or animal, or whatever. They simply do not match.
As much as I agree with some of your posts, this reeks of giving a pass to someone who doesn't deserve one. Although I don't care what they end up convicting him of.
Murder, manslaughter, negligent homocide, stalking, menacing or even terminal stupidity. I want him removed from society so that if it does happen again, it won't be from this character.
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I know there are a lot of racist crazies out there who will excuse any killing of minorities...
EOTE
Jun 2013
#3
The timelines I've seen show that Zimmerman lost sight of Trayvon while on the phone with 911
Dub-V-You
Jun 2013
#70
If I had a number of break ins in my neighborhood and was in the same situation
Dub-V-You
Jun 2013
#79
I don't find black people particularly suspicious. It would be a matter of circumstances
Dub-V-You
Jun 2013
#87
What what did this kid who was armed with Skittles and soft drink do that he got murdered?
hrmjustin
Jun 2013
#91
How do you know he was going through backyards? Zimmerman says so. He has no
hrmjustin
Jun 2013
#101
He was walking down the street when Zimmy started following him. Then he cut into the back yards
uppityperson
Jun 2013
#167
Negros? You are a George Zimmerman supporter and you use the term "negros"?
Bjorn Against
Jun 2013
#117
The problem for you is I have read books, I have read plenty on civil rights
Bjorn Against
Jun 2013
#142
I'm not sure how they clinch this one.. manslaughter would be easier to prove
Voice for Peace
Jun 2013
#88
There is no scenario in which Z is "completely innocent," as TM is DEAD. And "premeditation" doesn't
WinkyDink
Jun 2013
#8
Really. Please educate me what Martin was doing wrong, and why Zimmerman should confront him in the
still_one
Jun 2013
#9
Involuntary manslaughter would have been if his gun accidentally went off.
Tommy_Carcetti
Jun 2013
#10
Since you have a time machine that has allowed you to hear all the evidence and testimony
onenote
Jun 2013
#16
This is a hate crime. Any white kid walking around Zimmerman's complex would still be alive.
NYC_SKP
Jun 2013
#17
Zimmerman stalked Martin with a gun and then shot him dead. Zimmerman is guilty. n/t
Tx4obama
Jun 2013
#18
"all the hullaballoo" is what television does. high viewership means more money.
stlsaxman
Jun 2013
#177
he is at least guilty of negligent homicide but more likely 2nd degree murder
arely staircase
Jun 2013
#26
He's guilty of whatever the prosecution is able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt.
The Velveteen Ocelot
Jun 2013
#28
You should probably look at the laws on taking a life before making that assertion.
last1standing
Jun 2013
#35
I was looking at the General Discussion page and I saw how quickly the number of reply's came.
hrmjustin
Jun 2013
#51
Only if the shooting was an accident, or he didn't intend to kill him when he shot.
ieoeja
Jun 2013
#49
Trayvon was guilty of walking while black. Zimmerman has to live with the fact that he killed a 17
Pisces
Jun 2013
#57
It could well have been second-degree murder, but I don't think the evidence is there
Nye Bevan
Jun 2013
#61
It's flat out not possible to beat the shit out of someone and bloody his nose without getting
eridani
Jun 2013
#172
Zimmerman voluntarily pointed his gun at an unarmed teen and shot him in the chest.
magical thyme
Jun 2013
#78
Racist pig stalks and kills young black kid with skittles and ice tea, not guilty?
we can do it
Jun 2013
#84
I don't consider him innocent. I do consider him reckless and really stupid.
Voice for Peace
Jun 2013
#85
On a secondary level, yes. But the actual perpetrator of this crime is still first and foremost
nomorenomore08
Jun 2013
#143
2nd degree minimum, for accosting a child with hostile intent (n/t)
usGovOwesUs3Trillion
Jun 2013
#112
Punishing him by sending him to prison for his reckless disregard for human life
notadmblnd
Jun 2013
#113
hmmm...one post, many replies, but the poster hasn't responded to any of them
noiretextatique
Jun 2013
#114
Oh really? What if Trayvon was the one yelling "help me, help me" while Zimmerman
applegrove
Jun 2013
#128
I'm unapologetically saying Zimmerman is a murderer. Whether he is convicted is another matter.
Lint Head
Jun 2013
#152
"guilty of involuntary manslaughter, at most"? Why not disturbing the peace?
AnotherMcIntosh
Jun 2013
#161