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Hydra

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75. There's a writeup thread in greatest

Fri Jul 5, 2013, 06:29 PM

Jul 2013

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023171264

Sorry, something came up and had to wander away for a bit.

In a nutshell, a "mysterious" someone told all the players in this that Snowden was on board the plane. This has been admitted to by basically all sources today. Everyone is pretending we don't know who this someone is. These countries basically blockaded the Bolivian President's plane, either by denying airspace or ability to land for fuel to cross the Atlantic with. They were forced to double back to Vienna to get refueled. In Vienna, they were pressured to allow a search of the plane by various people. Morales refused, and after 13 hours they gave up and let him go.

So far we can assume Snowden wasn't aboard...but we can't really be sure.

There is an alternate theory that they needed to make a repair, but I checked the flight record, and they were 3/4 of the way through Austria before they turned around and backtracked to Vienna. You'd think they'd want to park somewhere closer?

Anyway, there were suggestions that this was all a big misunderstanding, but a lot of high level people are apologizing to Morales about it, saying they were trying to catch Snowden. IMO: Huge Imperial diplo blunder.

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Forcing down Evo Morales's plane was an act of air piracy [View all] Octafish Jul 2013 OP

Happy to be the 1st rec, of! Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #1

Pilger brought up Harold Pinter... Octafish Jul 2013 #15

Pilger is one of the most informed investigative journalists in the news business today. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #99

In my opinion what our country did is wrong. Marrah_G Jul 2013 #2

+1 nt snappyturtle Jul 2013 #11

+2 Octafish Jul 2013 #29

+3 leftstreet Jul 2013 #39

This message was self-deleted by its author ReRe Jul 2013 #76

+4 Enthusiast Jul 2013 #72

+5 ReRe Jul 2013 #78

+6 woo me with science Jul 2013 #93

Western imperialists have pirated the globe's resources leftstreet Jul 2013 #3

What Steve Kangas wrote... Octafish Jul 2013 #32

John Kerry thinks he's John Bolton Ichingcarpenter Jul 2013 #4

The decision to close air space to a diplomatic flight could only've come from Kerry's boss. Octafish Jul 2013 #37

Kerry been on his yacht h Ichingcarpenter Jul 2013 #41

+1,000 malaise Jul 2013 #51

Amazing treestar Jul 2013 #5

How many events will take place before you realize what happened was WRONG? Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #7

What happened? treestar Jul 2013 #12

What do YOU think happened, treestar? MrMickeysMom Jul 2013 #124

I don't know what happened treestar Jul 2013 #133

Wow... what an avoided answer, treestar... MrMickeysMom Jul 2013 #139

Why didn't you answer my question? treestar Jul 2013 #140

Please don't disgrace the post by indicating you answered me... MrMickeysMom Jul 2013 #141

I don't know, when will someone from your side address important questions such as: okaawhatever Jul 2013 #49

Guess another term that's missing is ''Fascism.'' Octafish Jul 2013 #40

Perhaps you could educate us as to what the event should be called. A Simple Game Jul 2013 #64

Silliness. The plane wasn't "forced" down ProSense Jul 2013 #6

Linking to your own threads is... Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #9

Narcissism is as narcissism does. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #17

. Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #18

Why on ProSense Jul 2013 #25

Do you think the comment was referring to you? HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #28

Yes, but now you're going to pretend it didn't ProSense Jul 2013 #30

No one was called out, it was an open-ended comment. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #33

OK ProSense Jul 2013 #34

I don't believe you are really rolling on the floor, bvar22 Jul 2013 #94

Comments about "linking" ProSense Jul 2013 #23

Tis what it Tis... Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #24

Repeatedly spamming a board with one's own blue links, to the point... SaveOurDemocracy Jul 2013 #70

I know, I know. I do it too much. Octafish Jul 2013 #36

But I've found your self-linking to be supportive of your OP... Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #108

A diplomatic flight is prevented from re-fueling when scheduled and searched upon landing. Octafish Jul 2013 #43

DU runs on hyperbole... SidDithers Jul 2013 #46

and the President is backwoodsbob Jul 2013 #57

You forgot Reagan, his favorite........nt Enthusiast Jul 2013 #73

! zappaman Jul 2013 #8

You Have A Problem With John Pilger? HangOnKids Jul 2013 #14

"nugentman"? zappaman Jul 2013 #16

Oh shit sorry I thought your handle was nugentman HangOnKids Jul 2013 #19

No worries. zappaman Jul 2013 #22

lol!!! Number23 Jul 2013 #106

I can see how that typo might happen, Binka... SidDithers Jul 2013 #48

Anything to add, zappaman? Octafish Jul 2013 #52

I think laughter is the appropriate response to this hyperbole. zappaman Jul 2013 #54

Then you've missed the point. Octafish Jul 2013 #59

Let me get this straight. randome Jul 2013 #10

US Aid (i.e. $$$) is quite the carrot... Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #13

But why not let him land in Portugal as intended? randome Jul 2013 #20

Portugal wouldn't let him land. Spain would have, but France wouldn't let him fly through. morningfog Jul 2013 #27

But if they were doing this because we were pulling the strings... randome Jul 2013 #45

France has said they did allow permission to their airspace Major Nikon Jul 2013 #65

Interesting that Austria is the only non NATO country involved. Downwinder Jul 2013 #31

You'd think we'd have more pull with the other countries but they didn't want to get involved? randome Jul 2013 #53

More like an opportunity for denial. Downwinder Jul 2013 #56

Still denying that it happend? rusty fender Jul 2013 #89

It was a violation of international law and a display of ... dawg Jul 2013 #21

Of course you wouldn't call it piracy. zappaman Jul 2013 #26

So stop saying that! dawg Jul 2013 #35

I agree, not piracy. Rex Jul 2013 #66

lol'ing at the people pretending this isn't a big deal Hydra Jul 2013 #38

Ok Hydra and others, what is the truth here? I have read conflicting accounts on what happened so cstanleytech Jul 2013 #44

There's a writeup thread in greatest Hydra Jul 2013 #75

See the main problem I am having is this link cstanleytech Jul 2013 #84

I'll look at it when I get a minute Hydra Jul 2013 #95

Ok, I read the link Hydra Jul 2013 #102

Ok thanks for the clarification. cstanleytech Jul 2013 #103

Oh, I know France and the others don't want Snowden Hydra Jul 2013 #104

No one FORCED the aircraft to land. Their claim that they had fuel gauge problems is suspect. okaawhatever Jul 2013 #55

The aircraft had filed a flight plan, including authorization for re-fueling in Spain. Octafish Jul 2013 #60

I beg to differ. The authorization of the flight plan was for the Canary Islands. There may be a okaawhatever Jul 2013 #62

That's clearly not what happened here Major Nikon Jul 2013 #67

Freedom from persecution not freedom from prosecution. Important difference. n/t SylviaD Jul 2013 #42

The fact that people are denying that anything wrong happened Maedhros Jul 2013 #47

As the 'center' keeps moving ever rightward... Octafish Jul 2013 #68

Don't use the "F" word to describe what the NSA is doing. Maedhros Jul 2013 #111

It's pretty clear by now that Bolivia was pretty disengenuous regarding their account Major Nikon Jul 2013 #69

I wouldn't say Bolivia has been any more disingenuous that France or Spain or Austria... Maedhros Jul 2013 #105

As I said, it's either one or the other Major Nikon Jul 2013 #107

Damn you BFEE!!!...nt SidDithers Jul 2013 #50

Why you find fun in the BFEE is your own affair, SidDithers. Octafish Jul 2013 #58

OMG Sid!!! greytdemocrat Jul 2013 #61

silence from the white house is bs.. I cant believe it xiamiam Jul 2013 #63

The thing exposes incompetence, all around. Octafish Jul 2013 #71

Equally disturbing is the media's dismissal of the issue markiv Jul 2013 #74

this incident is profoundly more important than the travon martin trial markiv Jul 2013 #80

It is most troubling. Octafish Jul 2013 #88

Why don't we wait for the whole story to come out before jumping to conclusions? Rstrstx Jul 2013 #77

You can wait for the official version. The facts speak for themselves. Octafish Jul 2013 #81

The FACT is that his plane was NOT forced to land. Please stop spreading misinformation. Tx4obama Jul 2013 #87

War is Peace. woo me with science Jul 2013 #92

Ignorance is Strength. Octafish Jul 2013 #97

France has apologized to Morales... HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #82

When did Austria finger the CIA? Rstrstx Jul 2013 #91

And it was the US Ambassador who made the call to the Foreign Ministry Catherina Jul 2013 #117

Air Piracy lol Progressive dog Jul 2013 #79

What did Snowden do that would make the United States government act like a fascist power? Octafish Jul 2013 #83

Air Piracy and Fascist Progressive dog Jul 2013 #86

Morales shouldn't be held or diverted anywhere. That's the point of international treaties. Octafish Jul 2013 #96

Assuming a treaty was violated (one wasn't), Progressive dog Jul 2013 #112

Hey! You got that right. But you'd be wrong. Octafish Jul 2013 #113

Air piracy and fascism is now violating a tradition Progressive dog Jul 2013 #114

Morales as a head of state doesn't have to pull his aircraft over for anybody. Octafish Jul 2013 #115

Air piracy and fascism is now a traffic stop Progressive dog Jul 2013 #116

No. The traffic stop is an easy to understand allegory. Octafish Jul 2013 #119

I'm glad you understand how traffic stop is an allegory for air piracy, Progressive dog Jul 2013 #120

So, you do understand. The obtuse act was rhetorical. Octafish Jul 2013 #122

Fascism and air piracy indicates being okay with dishonestly Progressive dog Jul 2013 #123

With the exception of France, those nations all were onboard the CIA Torture Train. Octafish Jul 2013 #126

Fascism and piracy, now torture trains Progressive dog Jul 2013 #127

It's too bad you don't see the connection. Octafish Jul 2013 #129

So the US is not a democracy because Snowden and Progressive dog Jul 2013 #130

Not quite. In the USA, money trumps elections. Octafish Jul 2013 #131

Got it, money buys air piracy , torture trains, and fascism Progressive dog Jul 2013 #132

Precisely. And exactly why Morales should be respected. Octafish Jul 2013 #134

This gets funnier by the minute Progressive dog Jul 2013 #135

There is nothing funny about fascism. Octafish Jul 2013 #137

I'm not talking about humor in fascism. Progressive dog Jul 2013 #142

K&R idwiyo Jul 2013 #85

'The incident demonstrates...the Obama administration will go to any lengths to silence Snowden... Octafish Jul 2013 #98

You don't say! Universal Health Care? OMG!1!! Quick, sprinkle some holy water around to ward off the idwiyo Jul 2013 #100

I'm old enough to remember that... ReRe Jul 2013 #90

Wouldn't that be handy! idwiyo Jul 2013 #101

US (and French) Courts Have Ruled Head-of-State Immunity is Absolute Octafish Jul 2013 #109

What's a "mope"? ReRe Jul 2013 #110

This message was self-deleted by its author Catherina Jul 2013 #118

Isn't it great to see... 99Forever Jul 2013 #121

The progress on issues that have nothing to do with power and profit are nice. Octafish Jul 2013 #125

It looks like our Gov. NSA or whoever must be hiding something dreadful. JEB Jul 2013 #128

DC Madam's phone records hinted the corruption was in all three branches... Octafish Jul 2013 #136

They sure are anxious to pour the concrete on the whole Snowden affair. JEB Jul 2013 #138