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Pretzel_Warrior

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71. I don't know. I think FDR's extended presidency shows what happens when you have people aligned

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Mon Jul 8, 2013, 04:00 PM

Jul 2013

and then not aligned. He was able to bring about the New Deal with the help of Democrats...but Republicans shut down continued expansion of stimulus to the economy during he Great Depression. Result was a lot of relief for every day Americans who were in deep trouble but then the progress was allowed to be rolled back.

The only thing that "helped" was WW2 and the convergence of stimulus (Democratic focus) and imperial warmaking (Republican focus) and the subsequent spending and devastation of Europe/Japan is what put the U.S. on a path to immense prosperity and power.

But the point is regarding FDR, there is huge power in marshalling a coalition of people backing your efforts.

THe coalition is falling apart, and the business vultures are like a disciplined phalanx of soldiers...continuing forward to meet their objectives. We can't give in so quickly.

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Obama is no longer my president [View all] Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 OP

Politicians can be replaced. nt. sibelian Jul 2013 #1

Obama won't be replaced until January 2017. Sorry to disappoint. nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #3

Unless the hair-on-fire crowd is even more successful at reducing the Dems turnout in '14 Amonester Jul 2013 #18

no kidding. we MUST work to give him the majorities in House/Senate again Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #19

Agreed. But to too many here... Amonester Jul 2013 #31

What would the pay off be? nineteen50 Jul 2013 #94

Hogwash. 99Forever Jul 2013 #124

They can't actually think these bullying tactics work. liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #139

They must... 99Forever Jul 2013 #140

We have a majority in the Senate. truebluegreen Jul 2013 #79

I know. I just didn't phrase my thought very well Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #81

Ah. Got it. truebluegreen Jul 2013 #84

and they had the ability to change the rules to make a filibuster actually a filibuster nineteen50 Jul 2013 #96

I think I mostly agree with you... truebluegreen Jul 2013 #127

They like the Republicans to easily filibuster nineteen50 Jul 2013 #132

Yup. I do agree. Thanks for clarifying. truebluegreen Jul 2013 #135

Example nineteen50 Jul 2013 #133

Barely. And we could easily lose it in 2014. pnwmom Jul 2013 #98

In what way have they earned it? And what would this accomplish? Demo_Chris Jul 2013 #111

If you want a good turn out in 2014 then work for it. Dont just blame someone else. rhett o rick Jul 2013 #40

that makes no sense. the sides to vote for were very clear Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #41

The post is a mean spirited attempt to alienate the left. Funny how much rhett o rick Jul 2013 #50

my OP was a kind-spirited attempt to shake us into reality world Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #57

I was responding to this post: rhett o rick Jul 2013 #59

I see. my mistake. Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #61

if the centrists stayed home Sheepshank Jul 2013 #44

Why would the progressives stay home? They are the ones that want change. rhett o rick Jul 2013 #56

politics is fluid. The Dems had the 08 victory and majority. and p!ssed off activists Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #58

"DOCUMENTED". Do the caps make it so? rhett o rick Jul 2013 #63

YES. ABSOLUTELY!! :D Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #65

THe White House losing mid-terms is a powerful trend in American politics Art_from_Ark Jul 2013 #116

Oh please, not 2010 turnout crap again..... blackspade Jul 2013 #123

No, indeed. sibelian Jul 2013 #38

then all attacks should be directed at the underlying system--not him Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #42

Yes, he did well. sibelian Jul 2013 #68

so are you, a Democrat, proposing impeachment of Obama? Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #9

that poster purportedly doesn't live in the USA. KittyWampus Jul 2013 #27

No. I think that would be quite purposeless. sibelian Jul 2013 #47

why don't you spend some time focusing on your own country? Seems they're spying too. KittyWampus Jul 2013 #24

That was rude. laundry_queen Jul 2013 #89

But brain cells cannot. MjolnirTime Jul 2013 #104

PLONK. sibelian Jul 2013 #108

They replace them with clones. nt valerief Jul 2013 #118

Sadly, this attempt at snark reflects the beliefs of a number of DUers. nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #2

I know. It is sad. I'm just trying to understand it. Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #7

The majority of DUers, actually. MjolnirTime Jul 2013 #105

let's take a vote on it, buddy. I am sure you are wrong Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #112

You haven't been here long, huh? MjolnirTime Jul 2013 #125

Your comment is a bit confusing. Are you saying the president's supporters make up a small Number23 Jul 2013 #126

No, the majority of DU actually supports the Democratic President. MjolnirTime Jul 2013 #129

On that, we are in 100% agreement. Number23 Jul 2013 #131

Nuts Savannahmann Jul 2013 #4

what is that? Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #6

A polite way of saying bullshit. Savannahmann Jul 2013 #26

I'm very positive still about Obama. Just talking about others Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #43

Really?? DCBob Jul 2013 #136

Re-read the OP. SamReynolds Jul 2013 #143

I dont think so. DCBob Jul 2013 #144

Okay, I'll spell it out for you: SamReynolds Jul 2013 #154

1. He definitely still is your president. 2. This is not a modern day Gestapo. Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #5

This message was self-deleted by its author moondust Jul 2013 #8

please read more carefully Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #12

Too late now. Amonester Jul 2013 #39

I cannot help if someone puts me on ignore due to lack of reading comprehension Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #46

And to them, 'we' are 'authoritarian' (I haven't put anyone on stupid internet ignore). Amonester Jul 2013 #51

Never mind. moondust Jul 2013 #78

well, what can I say, but when you make your bed, you own it quinnox Jul 2013 #10

so you don't want to do anything about it...just whine and complain? Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #14

I think of DU as an outlet quinnox Jul 2013 #21

understood. statistically, I am sure most of us are in similar boat Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #60

How can one man please everyone all the time? JaneyVee Jul 2013 #20

As Ricky Nelson said: riqster Jul 2013 #34

"Seems to be what many of the people on here are saying." <-- Just men made of straw NoOneMan Jul 2013 #11

It's an argument born of convenience. Maedhros Jul 2013 #103

Well said. woo me with science Jul 2013 #113

" and probably wants to torture you. " bunnies Jul 2013 #13

not my words. Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #64

Seriously? bunnies Jul 2013 #70

Not just Guantanamo. Ask Don Siegelman. Octafish Jul 2013 #15

If people want that, then fine that is their choice. Rex Jul 2013 #16

Meanwhile, his accomplishments list far outweighs his "broken promises" list. JaneyVee Jul 2013 #17

No shit. Zoeisright Jul 2013 #87

It's the same crew, I don't think the numbers have changed much since 2008 Whisp Jul 2013 #22

He didn't start out advocating for gay rights. The Link Jul 2013 #23

I would focus on the puppet masters at The Carlyle Group instead of blaming Obama think Jul 2013 #25

I sure do agree… or start with some lower hanging fruit. Focus on the money. It's what hurts them KittyWampus Jul 2013 #30

Yes the money is their fuel. Cutting off their contracts at Booz Allen would be a nice start think Jul 2013 #33

Point of fact, he ran for office advocating civil Unions because equality was an affront to his Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #28

but that is just the point. he started advocating for gay rights and then IMPROVED Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #35

That is NOT what you wrote. The reality based version is important. Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #52

my OP said he advocated for gay rights. I said nothing about marriage equality Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #67

Tell me about the 'nuanced' way we were called names. And why don't you have the decency to Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #74

Because gay rights would have flourished Maximumnegro Jul 2013 #146

If you're a United States citizen... Pilotguy Jul 2013 #29

So who is? nt arely staircase Jul 2013 #32

mine is President Obama. I don't know who the opposers Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #37

The question being asked of you is who do you claim are 'the opposers'? Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #55

my question is why you are after me so hard core? Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #69

I am sick of this thing you are doing. The Pin Up Politics Revisionist Crew never helped in the Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #80

Step One: One could stop thinking the world is a referendum on Barack Obama cthulu2016 Jul 2013 #36

There is a spoil-sport at every party. rhett o rick Jul 2013 #49

I don't know. I think FDR's extended presidency shows what happens when you have people aligned Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #71

Has anyone said, "President Obama is not my President?" . . . markpkessinger Jul 2013 #45

All I hear in response to this are crickets . . . markpkessinger Jul 2013 #134

oh fuck more histrionic hypebole filled with false claims. cali Jul 2013 #48

Oh good gawd. Iggo Jul 2013 #53

He was never "my" president. LWolf Jul 2013 #54

+1000 n/t whatchamacallit Jul 2013 #83

Of course he's my President. And he'll hear from me as such. Union Scribe Jul 2013 #62

thank you for the encouraging words Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #72

I very much like that turn of phrase. Union Scribe Jul 2013 #73

Gestapo Botany Jul 2013 #66

But we can never stop CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #75

lol. exactly. Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #85

I agree brush Jul 2013 #76

Under an Obama Administration, hamburgers are 50% smaller... SidDithers Jul 2013 #77

You mean Waiting For Everyman Jul 2013 #82

I agree nolabels Jul 2013 #91

People have a right to their opinions and don't answer to you. forestpath Jul 2013 #86

Sufficiently-complex-thinking-people have always been a herd of cats, and humans are knee-jerky byronius Jul 2013 #88

It's funny I read the headline and thought "that's going a little too far" JAbuchan08 Jul 2013 #90

"full of hope and strong ideas" are subjective things. OnyxCollie Jul 2013 #92

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #93

those are some pretty disgusting words. Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #97

What topping do you want? Historic NY Jul 2013 #101

Good one. ucrdem Jul 2013 #95

Just waiting for something bad to happen BrainMann1 Jul 2013 #99

I agree Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #110

"Obama is no longer my president" bobclark86 Jul 2013 #100

Obama is still the best president since FDR, despite his faults mwrguy Jul 2013 #102

Personally, I give that award to LBJ BlueEye Jul 2013 #122

He really want to torture me ? Me ?!? Sand Wind Jul 2013 #106

I don't think your's is an accurate portrayal of the President. Enthusiast Jul 2013 #107

why don't you PM me your contempt level for Obama Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #114

dont let the door hit you on the way out pasto76 Jul 2013 #109

you missed the actual point of the post Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #115

I'm asuming this is sarcasm. SleeplessinSoCal Jul 2013 #117

yes....sarcasm and frustration with the "pure as driven snow" crowd Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #119

I appreciate it. SleeplessinSoCal Jul 2013 #128

they called clinton a liberal too iamthebandfanman Jul 2013 #120

Ho Hum, more exaggerations stupidicus Jul 2013 #121

Ideas? DCBob Jul 2013 #130

you guys get nuttier by the day Skittles Jul 2013 #137

^^^^this^^^^ L0oniX Jul 2013 #138

They get creepier too. Have you seen the one-sided "dialogue" Maven Jul 2013 #141

yes, and I think as more and more people put 'em on Ignore that will be their whole world Skittles Jul 2013 #142

You may disagree with people not wanting to bash the president Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #147

you just DO NOT GET IT Skittles Jul 2013 #150

she said while yelling in ALL CAPS. heheheh. seriously. go see some nature Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #151

ANOTHER EXAMPLE Skittles Jul 2013 #152

I think he went in there with some really good ideas... truebrit71 Jul 2013 #145

So marriage equality, ending wars, and health care reform Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #148

Marriage equality was decided by the courts... truebrit71 Jul 2013 #149

just think of president romney madrchsod Jul 2013 #153