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In reply to the discussion: Obama is no longer my president [View all]Maedhros
(10,007 posts)103. It's an argument born of convenience.
If one casts the debate in terms of "hatred" of Obama, then its far easier in one's own mind to counter the argument by defending Obama from the "hate" than to defend the policy.
Note how disagreement with bad policy is re-cast as scurrilous attacks on the President:
...some all-powerful corrupted man who wants nothing more than to expand state power and dominate the lives of all citizens.
Now he is a tyrant who won't close Guantanamo Bay, won't stop drone strikes, who wants to spy on you, and probably wants to torture you.
He hates anything to do with attempting to fix global warming. He only wants to benefit the 1% (or 0.1%) and all we can do is suffer under this tyrant.
I don't think calling him a bully and insinuating he and his team are the Keystone Cops while also saying they are the modern day Gestapo is the way to go about it.
I would be more accommodating of the Administration's apologists if they weren't uniform in their defense of Obama. For example, if one of them objected to the chained CPI proposal but not the surveillance program, or if one detested drone strike double-taps but saw a need to continue to keep Gitmo open, then I would be more inclined to believe their arguments were in good faith.
However, there is a bloc of posters here that have defended every bad policy decision by Obama using disingenuous ad hominem arguments - criticism originates from racism, critics are Paulbots, etc. There is no substantive defense of the policy. That bloc clearly does not argue in good faith, which leaves open the question of their motives. Are they really concerned for the country, or just engaged in partisan politicking?
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Unless the hair-on-fire crowd is even more successful at reducing the Dems turnout in '14
Amonester
Jul 2013
#18
no kidding. we MUST work to give him the majorities in House/Senate again
Pretzel_Warrior
Jul 2013
#19
and they had the ability to change the rules to make a filibuster actually a filibuster
nineteen50
Jul 2013
#96
If you want a good turn out in 2014 then work for it. Dont just blame someone else.
rhett o rick
Jul 2013
#40
politics is fluid. The Dems had the 08 victory and majority. and p!ssed off activists
Pretzel_Warrior
Jul 2013
#58
THe White House losing mid-terms is a powerful trend in American politics
Art_from_Ark
Jul 2013
#116
why don't you spend some time focusing on your own country? Seems they're spying too.
KittyWampus
Jul 2013
#24
Your comment is a bit confusing. Are you saying the president's supporters make up a small
Number23
Jul 2013
#126
1. He definitely still is your president. 2. This is not a modern day Gestapo.
Gravitycollapse
Jul 2013
#5
I cannot help if someone puts me on ignore due to lack of reading comprehension
Pretzel_Warrior
Jul 2013
#46
And to them, 'we' are 'authoritarian' (I haven't put anyone on stupid internet ignore).
Amonester
Jul 2013
#51
"Seems to be what many of the people on here are saying." <-- Just men made of straw
NoOneMan
Jul 2013
#11
I would focus on the puppet masters at The Carlyle Group instead of blaming Obama
think
Jul 2013
#25
I sure do agree… or start with some lower hanging fruit. Focus on the money. It's what hurts them
KittyWampus
Jul 2013
#30
Yes the money is their fuel. Cutting off their contracts at Booz Allen would be a nice start
think
Jul 2013
#33
Point of fact, he ran for office advocating civil Unions because equality was an affront to his
Bluenorthwest
Jul 2013
#28
but that is just the point. he started advocating for gay rights and then IMPROVED
Pretzel_Warrior
Jul 2013
#35
my OP said he advocated for gay rights. I said nothing about marriage equality
Pretzel_Warrior
Jul 2013
#67
Tell me about the 'nuanced' way we were called names. And why don't you have the decency to
Bluenorthwest
Jul 2013
#74
I am sick of this thing you are doing. The Pin Up Politics Revisionist Crew never helped in the
Bluenorthwest
Jul 2013
#80
I don't know. I think FDR's extended presidency shows what happens when you have people aligned
Pretzel_Warrior
Jul 2013
#71
Sufficiently-complex-thinking-people have always been a herd of cats, and humans are knee-jerky
byronius
Jul 2013
#88
yes, and I think as more and more people put 'em on Ignore that will be their whole world
Skittles
Jul 2013
#142
she said while yelling in ALL CAPS. heheheh. seriously. go see some nature
Pretzel_Warrior
Jul 2013
#151