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In reply to the discussion: When Greenwalds Attack! 10 Examples From His Past [View all]DirkGently
(12,151 posts)25. Funny, the ACLU seems to think there's something new here.
NEW YORK The American Civil Liberties Union and the New York Civil Liberties Union today filed a constitutional challenge to a surveillance program under which the National Security Agency vacuums up information about every phone call placed within, from, or to the United States. The lawsuit argues that the program violates the First Amendment rights of free speech and association as well as the right of privacy protected by the Fourth Amendment. The complaint also charges that the dragnet program exceeds the authority that Congress provided through the Patriot Act.
"This dragnet program is surely one of the largest surveillance efforts ever launched by a democratic government against its own citizens," said Jameel Jaffer, ACLU deputy legal director. "It is the equivalent of requiring every American to file a daily report with the government of every location they visited, every person they talked to on the phone, the time of each call, and the length of every conversation. The program goes far beyond even the permissive limits set by the Patriot Act and represents a gross infringement of the freedom of association and the right to privacy."
The ACLU is a customer of Verizon Business Network Services, which was the recipient of a secret FISA Court order published by The Guardian last week. The order required the company to "turn over on 'an ongoing daily basis' phone call details" such as who calls are placed to and from, and when those calls are made. The lawsuit argues that the government's blanket seizure of and ability to search the ACLU's phone records compromises sensitive information about its work, undermining the organization's ability to engage in legitimate communications with clients, journalists, advocacy partners, and others.
"The crux of the government's justification for the program is the chilling logic that it can collect everyone's data now and ask questions later," said Alex Abdo, a staff attorney for the ACLU's National Security Project. "The Constitution does not permit the suspicionless surveillance of every person in the country."
"This dragnet program is surely one of the largest surveillance efforts ever launched by a democratic government against its own citizens," said Jameel Jaffer, ACLU deputy legal director. "It is the equivalent of requiring every American to file a daily report with the government of every location they visited, every person they talked to on the phone, the time of each call, and the length of every conversation. The program goes far beyond even the permissive limits set by the Patriot Act and represents a gross infringement of the freedom of association and the right to privacy."
The ACLU is a customer of Verizon Business Network Services, which was the recipient of a secret FISA Court order published by The Guardian last week. The order required the company to "turn over on 'an ongoing daily basis' phone call details" such as who calls are placed to and from, and when those calls are made. The lawsuit argues that the government's blanket seizure of and ability to search the ACLU's phone records compromises sensitive information about its work, undermining the organization's ability to engage in legitimate communications with clients, journalists, advocacy partners, and others.
"The crux of the government's justification for the program is the chilling logic that it can collect everyone's data now and ask questions later," said Alex Abdo, a staff attorney for the ACLU's National Security Project. "The Constitution does not permit the suspicionless surveillance of every person in the country."
http://www.aclu.org/national-security/aclu-files-lawsuit-challenging-constitutionality-nsa-phone-spying-program
Getting a little crowded under the character assassination bus, don't you think?
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Indeed. Serwer showed no class attacking Greenwald and in doing so diminished his credibility.
Luminous Animal
Jul 2013
#77
I can't argue with that. Two miserable men digitally slapping each other.
AllINeedIsCoffee
Jul 2013
#88
Greenwald thinks Snowden has done more than a guy who negotiated peace in Bosnia
arely staircase
Jul 2013
#79
No. That is not the "therefore." What is the NSA doing? That is the "therefore"--
Moonwalk
Jul 2013
#60
Here's the thing. All Snowden has "revealed" is old news gotten in old newspapers. Greenwald helped
KittyWampus
Jul 2013
#16
I don't see Karl but I see a couple of Paul Reiser? Wonder what's up with that?
randome
Jul 2013
#29
FISA is ruling on entire surveillance programs, not individual warrants
NineNightsHanging
Jul 2013
#50
I think we are all in agreement to push for more transparency and less secrecy.
randome
Jul 2013
#56
The NSA is spying. It's what they do. But why did Greenwald give a nobody w/no real story
KittyWampus
Jul 2013
#26
WOW! We learned the word PRISM. Here is an article from 2008 about "direct access"-
KittyWampus
Jul 2013
#34
If you read the article (you read it that fast?) it says they work with the NSA.
KittyWampus
Jul 2013
#39
Agreed. The same can be said of Eddie ("I'm not here to hide from justice.") Snowden.
randome
Jul 2013
#91
Will Greenwald lovers still believe that Snowden was telling the truth once they learn that...
Galraedia
Jul 2013
#18
Glen does not play well with others. And he's not a good enough journalist to get away with that.nt
msanthrope
Jul 2013
#11
Why doesn't Greenwald turn his attention to the real spying problem . . . Facebook!!
Major Hogwash
Jul 2013
#87
Oh, and I heard Glenn has an overdue library book, so pay no attention to NSA wiretapping.
Electric Monk
Jul 2013
#17
Sorry, but Greenwald doesn't get a free pass for reporting on something that was revealed years ago.
Galraedia
Jul 2013
#22
Where does any of that have anything to do with anything of substance Snowden provided?
KittyWampus
Jul 2013
#27
lol. Yeah. They want to send Snowden to jail for revealing already-revealed stuff
Blue Bike
Jul 2013
#57
Greenwald is a showboating Libertarian. In short, a puke. I can't believe how many people think he
OregonBlue
Jul 2013
#45
well DICK cheney has criticized snowden, and loves the nsa's programs
NineNightsHanging
Jul 2013
#52
So all Libertarians are evil? Liberals may sharply disagree with Libertarians on economic issues...
AZ Progressive
Jul 2013
#89
Yay, another one of the "irrelevant Glenn-Greenwald-is-such-an-asshole attacks"
whatchamacallit
Jul 2013
#61
The attempts to characterize Greenwald as coming late to the party re: the NSA are pathetic.
Luminous Animal
Jul 2013
#108
+1! So let me get this straight, people attack Greenwald, he responds, and somehow...
Luminous Animal
Jul 2013
#75
Typical BS from GG IMO: what did Rattner have to do with the aluminum tubes story?
struggle4progress
Jul 2013
#93
What did Rattner have to do with aluminum tubes? It's a lame rejoinder otherwise. nt
msanthrope
Jul 2013
#116
Yeah. This thread might have been better titled "When Greenwald makes lame rejoinders!"
pa28
Jul 2013
#121
this one who wrote the OP, for awhile was using the "anti-American" insult, but seems to have
quinnox
Jul 2013
#83
This level of desperateness by Obama supporters suggest willful delusion...
AZ Progressive
Jul 2013
#92
I knew there was a reason I wasn’t paying attention to this from the beginning..
busterbrown
Jul 2013
#101
Let's Bring the Thread Back to the Real Issue - the NSA Surveillance Overreach...
xocet
Jul 2013
#105
The whole Greenwald thing is really exposing a some truths about Democrats. nt
limpyhobbler
Jul 2013
#114